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    if that hadn't been shooting 8% in the first quarter what happened at the end wouldn't have been such big issue. Never heard the AT&T Center so vocal after a loss. Crazy. But despite such crappy play by most of the team, we lost by only 1 point and dug ourselves out of a hole at least three times... Have to take one game in their house.

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    It's alright fellas. Spurs have bad luck in situations like this for years. We know our franchise. We know their iden y. I just hope OKC is ready.

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    But seriously why hasn't anybody brought up the 5 second violation? This occurs before the elbow or Manu foot on the line?? I honestly slow counted 6-7 seconds
    I just timed it on my stopwatch.

    4.5 seconds

    Sorry.

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    I just timed it on my stopwatch.

    4.5 seconds

    Sorry.

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    All the grabbing holding stuff is usually not called. Fine, everyone understands they let contact go at the end.

    But it's a bad look for the NBA when it's that obvious and ignored on a dead ball by the official that's assigned to watch specific violations on a player that is required to stand still, and is not permitted to be part of all the action (holding / grabbing) going on in the court.

    And yes, of course it's not the only reason the Spurs lost.

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    So the NBA has 70 years and they never prepared for this?

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    Which felt worse? Game 2 of this series or Game 2 2014 finals?

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    He straight up pushed Manu with a ref looking at him and they missed it!? I'm glad the team is taking the high road, but an inbounds play, drawn up by Pop, with 13 seconds to go would have been better. Heck, just iso Kawhi or LMA and let them have a chance would of been better than a contested three from someone who was having a bad game. Either way, I'm over it already. I think the Spurs will blow them out in Game 3 then win a close one in Game 4, and then win in Game 5 at home. This is our teaching moment to get everybody on the same page and focused. Just the irritant this oyster needed to make a pearl.

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    Which felt worse? Game 2 of this series or Game 2 2014 finals?
    Game 2 of the Finals. Because it was the Finals.

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    so much was happening the refs just let them play.

    spurs lost. they were down the whole game. they deserved to lose.
    You don't start out 1-13 or go down big at home in a game 2, yet they did.... I agree.
    Which felt worse? Game 2 of this series or Game 2 2014 finals?
    Game 2 of the finals made me say here we go again and another loss to that team in the finals man I was pissed.

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    so these refs continue to suck and continue to be employed

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    Which felt worse? Game 2 of this series or Game 2 2014 finals?
    Besides Lebron/Wade/Bosh > Westbrook/Durant/Ibaka 2014 also had DJ Khaled, going into Game 3 here is less infuriating.

    Everyone not named Aldridge the bed. I'm happy it happened now as opposed to the WCF or Finals. I felt like the Thunder made tough shots and played the best game they got in them. The Spurs, minus LMA, did the opposite and only lost by 1 point and tons of ref help.

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    NBA is saving face with that 2min report and saying it was a missed call on Manu. Every ref I have spoken with/asked (not about this rule specifically) has told me about intent of the rule and "points of emphasis" on enforcing rules.

    Some rules, like stepping out with the ball, are very black and white. Rules like the one with Manu, when it comes to both the spacing rule & things like toe on the line are left more open and then once precedent is set/emphasis set, that's how you call it.

    Manu did not move significantly off of the spot the ref deemed acceptable. He didn't make significant movement laterally and jumped mostly up & down. His toe clearly hit the line (didn't go over) but he pulled back immediately and based on the intent of the rule, he did not break it. You see this on nearly every inbounds attempt and it's never called.

    However, to save face, league changed it up and tried to go letter of the law, even though it's been pretty well defined (even ex refs commented) that it's a non-call. But now this gives both sides a way to say "see, it cancels out". Let's see if the league is now forced to watch and call that (and if they have the guts to when a toe hits the line) the rest of these playoffs.

    Also, if they are going by the letter now, then how did they miss and not comment on Waiters bringing his arms/the ball across the same plane Manu's toe was on? In the sequence of events, Waiters first brings his arms/ball across while Manu is jumping. Then Manu lands on the line. Then Waiters pushes off.

    I don't see how they leave that out?

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    Waiters also jumped when throwing the ball inbounds....can't do that......O well time to move on and get ready for game 3....

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    Westbrook being fouled in transition is a much easier call to make, and it leads to FTs. Some fouls were called in favor of the Spurs that didn't lead to FTs.
    I guess we were watching a different game. No call on one end, touch fouls on the other. I've called the Spurs out when they stand around settling for jumpers. Last night was not an example of that.

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    Wow.....lol.......Thunder reffin it.....

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    Waiters also jumped when throwing the ball inbounds....can't do that......O well time to move on and get ready for game 3....
    They acknowledged that and said that was perfectly legal.

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    I know manu stepped out of bounds but it was a split second......No Danny did not foul Durant.....Yes Thunder got away with 3 things...maybe more lol....Waiters hit on Manu with elbow....The jumping when inbounding the ball and the foul on LMA......Looks like the Spurs are going to have a hard time in OKC.....I can already see the thunder refs doing there thang...Screw job all over again.....

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    They acknowledged that and said that was perfectly legal.
    mmmm ?

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    Apparently the rule when talks about "not gaining an advantage in height over the defender" is referring to not climbing into the stands/stairs/bench/whatever on the court/arena.

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    NBA is saving face with that 2min report and saying it was a missed call on Manu. Every ref I have spoken with/asked (not about this rule specifically) has told me about intent of the rule and "points of emphasis" on enforcing rules.

    Some rules, like stepping out with the ball, are very black and white. Rules like the one with Manu, when it comes to both the spacing rule & things like toe on the line are left more open and then once precedent is set/emphasis set, that's how you call it.

    Manu did not move significantly off of the spot the ref deemed acceptable. He didn't make significant movement laterally and jumped mostly up & down. His toe clearly hit the line (didn't go over) but he pulled back immediately and based on the intent of the rule, he did not break it. You see this on nearly every inbounds attempt and it's never called.

    However, to save face, league changed it up and tried to go letter of the law, even though it's been pretty well defined (even ex refs commented) that it's a non-call. But now this gives both sides a way to say "see, it cancels out". Let's see if the league is now forced to watch and call that (and if they have the guts to when a toe hits the line) the rest of these playoffs.

    Also, if they are going by the letter now, then how did they miss and not comment on Waiters bringing his arms/the ball across the same plane Manu's toe was on? In the sequence of events, Waiters first brings his arms/ball across while Manu is jumping. Then Manu lands on the line. Then Waiters pushes off.

    I don't see how they leave that out?


    1) 5 second violation should've been called.
    2) Foul wasn't called
    3) Waiters jumped to throw the ball..which is also a penalty.

    Ref was less then 5ft away and missed it all.

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    They acknowledged that and said that was perfectly legal.


    Section IV-Thrower-in
    a. A thrower-in shall not (1) carry the ball onto the court; (2) fail to release the ball within 5 seconds; (3) touch it on the court before it has touched another player; (4) leave the designated throw-in spot; (5) throw the ball so that it enters the basket before touching anyone on the court; (6) step over the boundary line while inbounding the ball; (7) cause the ball to go out-of-bounds without being touched inbounds; (8) leave the playing surface to gain an advantage on a throw-in; (9) hand the ball to a player on the court.
    EXCEPTION: After a field goal or free throw as a result of a personal foul, the thrower-in may run the end line or pass to a teammate behind the end line.
    b. Once an official recognizes the designated player to throw the ball in, there shall be no change of the thrower-in unless the offensive team makes a subs ution, there is a regular or 20-second timeout or a suspension of play.



    Hmmmm...

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    You know if Ginobili was inbounding it and shoved off Durant, it would be a Flagrant 2 immediately tbh

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    Former NBA ref Steve Javie's Interpretations...http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15...o-spurs-game-2

    This goes exactly in line with what I was explaining.
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