OT: RIP GOAT ALI

[Splits]

He's a draft dodger & a coward. I spit on Clay.

What are your thoughts on George Wallace?

[Silver&Black]

So MLK was also a coward?

Don't even try to compare MLK (one of the greatest human beings to grace this world) to Ali. MLK fought every day of his life for equality for all ppl no matter the color of their skin. MLK's death, while tragic, ushered in a new way of thinking and the implementing of new laws.

Don't do it Splits. We can have an intelligent conversation on this matter...and I'll even allow ( ...i'll even encourage) you to continue to make jokes about me giving handjobs around campfires overseas. I'm a big boy...I will survive. But, don't just start slinging against the wall comparing MLK to Ali. The two couldn't possibly be further from each other. Their disagreement on the war in Vietnam is probably the only thing they had in common.

[Silver&Black]

You're so proud of those 700+ dead, why don't you tell us about them and their families? Were they all named Abduallah Akhbar Jihad Jihad?

Really dude. I've never brought it up before...and I'll probably never bring it up again. You called me a pussy who was sitting on the bench at the time. And I'll I told you was I did part (along with my fellow soldiers).

What about the "real men in Fallujah"? I guess all the ppl they killed deserved it. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You can't commend the Marines in Fallujah for killing terrorists named Abduallah Akhbar Jihad Jihad....and condemn my unit at the same time. The is wrong with you tonight?

[lefty]

I was David Bowie's biggest fan

the world lost a legend in Prince

Chyna was a great wrassler and a hero for all women

People are gots when it comes to celebrity deaths.

Troof nukes

[Splits]

Really dude. I've never brought it up before...and I'll probably never bring it up again. You called me a pussy who was sitting on the bench at the time. And I'll I told you was I did part (along with my fellow soldiers).

What about the "real men in Fallujah"? I guess all the ppl they killed deserved it. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You can't commend the Marines in Fallujah for killing terrorists named Abduallah Akhbar Jihad Jihad....and condemn my unit at the same time. The is wrong with you tonight?

The pussies camping on top of the Hindu Kush demolishing villages in the gorge are just as abhorrent as the monsters who slaughtered innocents in Fallujah, ignoring the laws of war and decimating innocents by the thousands. At least you only have to live with "700+" dead on your conscious. I'm sure they were all really "bad dudes". No dead children for sure. Definitely.

And now, you get to go to college on my tax bill for free! Congrats! You're welcome!

[whitemamba]

RIP Ali , don't understand the hate towards this dude.

[Splits]

Don't even try to compare MLK (one of the greatest human beings to grace this world) to Ali. MLK fought every day of his life for equality for all ppl no matter the color of their skin. MLK's death, while tragic, ushered in a new way of thinking and the implementing of new laws.

Don't do it Splits. We can have an intelligent conversation on this matter...and I'll even allow ( ...i'll even encourage) you to continue to make jokes about me giving handjobs around campfires overseas. I'm a big boy...I will survive. But, don't just start slinging against the wall comparing MLK to Ali. The two couldn't possibly be further from each other. Their disagreement on the war in Vietnam is probably the only thing they had in common.

Ali and MLK fought the same fight. But just ignore history. Continue your ignorance.

“Like Muhammad Ali puts it, we are all—black and brown and poor—victims of the same system of oppression.”

The two men also appeared together at a fair-housing rally in Ali’s hometown of Louisville, Kentucky. There, Ali said, “In your struggle for freedom, justice and equality, I am with you. I came to Louisville because I could not remain silent while my own people, many I grew up with, many I went too school with, many my blood relatives, were being beaten, stomped and kicked in the streets simply because they want freedom, and justice and equality in housing.” Ali was now a protester. Dr. King was now an internationalist. The boxer and the preacher had come together as one.

 It took a bullet on April 4, 1968, to end this fellowship between Muhammad Ali and Martin Luther King Jr. For both men, it required losing the power of speech, whether in death or as a result of Parkinson’s disease, to be embraced by the country as a whole.

[Silver&Black]

No dead children for sure. Definitely.

This is coming from the guy on ST who always makes fun of dead kids!!!!

When did you change dude? I'm not continuing this convo any further until you explain to me why you changed and did a complete 180? The only thing more shocking would be if Jeebus came in here and turned compassionate toward Ali. At least he stayed true to who he is.

[Splits]

This is coming from the guy on ST who always makes fun of dead kids!!!!

When did you change dude? I'm not continuing this convo any further until you explain to me why you changed and did a complete 180? The only thing more shocking would be if Jeebus came in here and turned compassionate toward Ali. At least he stayed true to who he is.

No change, your reading comprehension is really poor.

How many kids did your "team" kill?

How is your free college treating you? Those are my tax dollars.

[Big Dog]

This is coming from the guy on ST who always makes fun of dead kids!!!!

When did you change dude? I'm not continuing this convo any further until you explain to me why you changed and did a complete 180? The only thing more shocking would be if Jeebus came in here and turned compassionate toward Ali. At least he stayed true to who he is.

jeebus is a mili got who picks his times to be edgy, look at that pussy's avatar..And you're quoting a piece of cuck.

That said, had to drop my dimes, RIP to the greatest boxer of his time and maybe of all time. Could talk trash as much as he'd want and back it up. His death is a big one because of what he did for his common folk (black ppl) in his time. I applaud him for dodging the draft. The Vietnam War involvement is one of this country's biggest mistakes.

[Silver&Black]

jeebus is a mili got who picks his times to be edgy, look at that pussy's avatar..And you're quoting a piece of cuck.

Never said I agree with him. I just simply said that he stayed true to who he is....whether or not you agree with it or not. Just can't believe Splits (another one who posts edgy all the time) is shedding a tear over a draft dodging comment.

You do you Big Dog...you're en led to whatever opinion you want about Ali. As am I.

Just can't stand when someone tries to be edgy all the time...then gets asshurt over a "Ali was a draft dodger" comment by Thread . Maybe you can explain...

[Splits]

Never said I agree with him. I just simply said that he stayed true to who he is....whether or not you agree with it or not. Just can't believe Splits (another one who posts edgy all the time) is shedding a tear over a draft dodging comment.

You do you Big Dog...you're en led to whatever opinion you want about Ali. As am I.

Just can't stand when someone tries to be edgy all the time...then gets asshurt over a "Ali was a draft dodger" comment by Thread . Maybe you can explain...

Let me boil this down for you, dumb .

Dale hates black draft-dodgers.

Dale is voting for the white draft-dodger this election, without compunction.

He is a racist.

I hate racists.

[Trill Clinton]

You said earlier in this thread being a conscientious objector is something you acknowledge as valid, which is what Ali did. So what exactly are you arguing?

Let me boil this down for you, dumb .

Dale hates black draft-dodgers.

Dale is voting for the white draft-dodger this election, without compunction.

He is a racist.

I hate racists.

[webshad]

& I read where Frazier offered to wipe his ass at the onset of his Parky.

& of course his Parkinson's had not one ing thing to do with him getting his brain scrambled for 20 years.

I read where Kirby raped a white woman. LOL at least Ali did no such thing.

Defends a rapist, but blames a "negro" for not wanting to fight a white man's war.

[webshad]

Let me boil this down for you, dumb .

Dale hates black draft-dodgers.

Dale is voting for the white draft-dodger this election, without compunction.

He is a racist.

I hate racists.

#owned

[Thread]

What are your thoughts on George Wallace?

In the name of the greatest people who has ever trod this earth.

[Thread]

I read where Kirby raped a white woman. LOL at least Ali did no such thing.

Defends a rapist, but blames a "negro" for not wanting to fight a white man's war.

You've nary room. Your Neal raped as well.

[Thread]

Let me boil this down for you, dumb .

Dale hates black draft-dodgers.

Dale is voting for the white draft-dodger this election, without compunction.

He is a racist.

I hate racists.

I'll just bet you do.

[.G.]

My unit was responsible for over 700+ dead while losing only one guy (RIP SFC Robinson).

Disgusting and hilarious.

[Silver&Black]

?

Let me boil this down for you, dumb .

Dale hates black draft-dodgers.

Dale is voting for the white draft-dodger this election, without compunction.

He is a racist.

I hate racists.

I don't give a who Bail votes for or not. 99% of the time I can't stand Dale. We just happen to agree on this one issue. I also don't give a flying if you agree or disagree with me over Ali being a draft dodger. I've already stated my opinion on the matter. Countless men (both white and black) answered the call. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the people who got drafted (maybe even the majority of them) didn't agree with Vietnam War...but they still went anyways.

What pisses me off more than anything is you of all people tugging at the heartstrings of the other posters here. I hate racists You're not that guy. You're the same guy who starts a thread about how ugly Kobe's children are....the same guy who laughs at the death of kids who died in a tragic bonfire accident....the same guy who says if he buys the site misogyny will be encouraged not met with banning. (When spurraider and 100%Duncan got banned over Becky comments)

1. Making fun of dead kids = O.k. in your book
2. Misogyny = Encouraged
3. Thread being a racist = Borderline worst thing possible.

I just don't get it bruh. The area where you draw the line between allowed and taboo is shocking to me.

[midnightpulp]

America: "We need our young men to go fight for us"
Countless Americans including other blacks (heroes) who didn't even agree with the conflict in Vietnam: "Let's do this"
Ali: "No thanks. I'm good."

that guy. Should be called out for being a coward. It's not like he would be thrown to the wolves like the others. They would have had Ali sorting mail or something like that. I can guarantee you that Ali wouldn't be a frontline infantry soldier or grunt. He would probably be a quartermaster or something behind the lines. And those guys are just as important as anybody else. He could have done something to help the war effort.

In WWII women quit their jobs and became steel workers to help with the effort. It probably sucked for them, but they endured. They got along...and did their part to help. ...just google Rosie the Riveter. Even the women back then did their part.

It's just the way most Americans are today. When 9/11 happened....probably 80-90% of the country was in favor of going to war. As soon as you realize that you might have to get your ing hands dirty......now....now...you say you're against it. You can't have it both ways. People die... never goes as planned...it's just the way it is. It's called Murphy's Law.

You really can't make the comparison between Vietnam and WWII. First off all, we were directly attacked in the former, while the primary threat to world peace (Nazi Germany) was poised to run through Eurasia like a hot knife through butter. In World War II, there was obviously a clear understanding of why we're fighting. With Vietnam, I don't think most Americans or even the drafted soldiers knew what they were fighting for.

That said, I do think it was a just war in a vacuum (but I do think a military draft is unjust and I do think it was a conflict we should've stayed out of). A lot of dip liberal arts students with a poor understanding of history think Vietnam was "Murka's fault." Truth is, the French turned that place into a hole (by raiding the country's resources over decades for their own interest), thus creating an environment ripe for discontent and insurgency long before any American heard of the country. During this time, the country basically broke out in a civil war between French colonial forces and their South Vietnamese allies and Ho Chi Minh and his communist forces. What peaked Washington's interest here is was the fact that Minh's forces were backed by the Soviets, eventually leading to the Vietnam War. And we fought on the right side (South Vietnamese). Ask any Vietnamese immigrant how great life was under Communism. Minh was basically a junior Stalin.

The reform led to allegations of many villagers being executed, land being taken away from middle peasants, and of paranoia among neighbors. Several foreign witnesses testified to mass executions.[36][37][page needed] Following the official condemnation of the excesses of Land Reform, the party newspaper Nhan Dan reported that 30% percent of all convictions were erroneous.[38] By 1957, some 12,000 wrongly convicted prisoners were released.[39]

Executions and imprisonment of persons classified as "landlords" or enemies of the state were contemplated from the beginning of the land reform program. A Politburo do ent dated 4 May 1953 said that executions were "fixed in principle at the ratio of one per one thousand people of the total population." That ratio would indicate that communist Vietnam contemplated the execution of about 15,000 "reactionaries and evil landlords" in carrying out the program.[40]

A lot those "dip liberal arts" students think the Communist threat was just an invented boogeyman, but when Uncle Joe is starving millions of his own people, summarily executing any and all political opposition, and purging millions of the religious, yeah, I think the Western Powers are going to be just a bit nervous about this guy expanding his sphere of influence, especially considering the military power the Soviet Union was at the time. The Domino Theory was a justified fear, since the world wanted, by any means necessary, to avoid another Nazi Germany situation (i.e., Poland was the first "domino" to fall, then France, and then, almost, the UK). Furthermore, it was Winston Churchill, the most trusted American ally of that time, who warned us about Communism. It wasn't like a board room of "evil" American leaders got together and said, "Hey. You know what would be killer and give us a great excuse to wage wars? Telling the American people that Communism is a threat!"

I do agree, however, that some of the witch-hunts stateside got stupidly out of hand (McCarthyism), but that's how paranoid the Soviet Union made everyone.

[RD2191]

What exactly did the US of A need ali for?

[midnightpulp]

Furthermore, what really irritates me the most is the fact that most people (the kind of morons who vote the United States is the greatest threat to world peace on polls) are unaware that we have been basically trying to clean up Europe's with "our meddling."

The Israel/Palestine debacle?

- Created by the UK

Why does Iran have a hate boner for the West?

- That flame was first fanned by, again, the UK. They fomented the first Iranian revolution because the then president of Iran wanted to nationalize their oil industry, which would cut out British Petroleum. The UK did ask the CIA for help, so our hands aren't clean here, but you can't turn down an ally. Have to play the geopolitical chess game and all that. The UK also armed Iraq and Saddam in their war with Iran.

Iraq?

Once again, was under UK rule. They gained "independence" in 1930, but basically existed as a British vassal state until Saddam seized power. "Yeah, but "evil Murka" armed Saddam with chemical weapons that he used on his own people."

Nope. That was Russia and western ally France.



But yeah, the middle east is the way it is because Murrica .

Honestly, when you read history, we're basically the most benevolent superpower that has ever existed. Oh, you think American hegemony has been a terrible thing since WWII? Then why is this now the most peaceful time the world has ever known?

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/15/were...ption_partner/

Where's all the world wars we've started? Genocides (inB4 Native Americans. The Europeans, no surprise, were primarily responsible for that)? But yeah, we dropped some bombs on some violent Japs who liked cutting up (hundreds of thousands) of Chinese for s and giggles.

[lefty]

What exactly did the US of A need ali for?

Human shield

But he would have dodged the bullets anyway

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Furthermore, what really irritates me the most is the fact that most people (the kind of morons who vote the United States is the greatest threat to world peace on polls) are unaware that we have been basically trying to clean up Europe's with "our meddling."

The Israel/Palestine debacle?

- Created by the UK

Why does Iran have a hate boner for the West?

- That flame was first fanned by, again, the UK. They fomented the first Iranian revolution because the then president of Iran wanted to nationalize their oil industry, which would cut out British Petroleum. The UK did ask the CIA for help, so our hands aren't clean here, but you can't turn down an ally. Have to play the geopolitical chess game and all that. The UK also armed Iraq and Saddam in their war with Iran.

Iraq?

Once again, was under UK rule. They gained "independence" in 1930, but basically existed as a British vassal state until Saddam seized power. "Yeah, but "evil Murka" armed Saddam with chemical weapons that he used on his own people."

Nope. That was Russia and western ally France.



But yeah, the middle east is the way it is because Murrica .

Honestly, when you read history, we're basically the most benevolent superpower that has ever existed. Oh, you think American hegemony has been a terrible thing since WWII? Then why is this now the most peaceful time the world has ever known?

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/15/were...ption_partner/

Where's all the world wars we've started? Genocides (inB4 Native Americans. The Europeans, no surprise, were primarily responsible for that)? But yeah, we dropped some bombs on some violent Japs who liked cutting up (hundreds of thousands) of Chinese for s and giggles.

Wow, talk about a completely one-sided, strawman argument. Trump supporter here, I can almost confirm.