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    Thanks for the detailed post and the plausible scenarios.

    The only point I see as a problem is the notion that the room exception will be enough to retain Boban. The economics this summer make it very likely that he'll get considerably more than that. If the Spurs do sign a Gasol-level FA this summer, I don't believe they'll be able to keep Boban.
    I don't think the Spurs will sit back and let other teams dictate Boban's salary. They can and should offer him a deal early on so that the pressure is on him to have something in places prior to the international games. I know he opted out, but his quotes make it seem like he's going to cave to the criticism. I think offering him a one-plus-one deal at the room exception and a solid rotation spot will get him to sign without testing free agency.

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    I don't think the Spurs will sit back and let other teams dictate Boban's salary. They can and should offer him a deal early on so that the pressure is on him to have something in places prior to the international games. I know he opted out, but his quotes make it seem like he's going to cave to the criticism. I think offering him a one-plus-one deal at the room exception and a solid rotation spot will get him to sign without testing free agency.
    That is how the Spurs operate, but we'll have to agree to disagree on the amount it will take to retain Boban's services.

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    That is how the Spurs operate, but we'll have to agree to disagree on the amount it will take to retain Boban's services.
    I've heard Asik-like offers from fans of other teams ($40M/3). Would be crazy. I don't think the Spurs would do more than the full MLE.

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    I've heard Asik-like offers from fans of other teams. Would be crazy.
    It would be crazy, but there's so much money chasing so little talent. We're going to be updating the list of worst contracts ever over and over again this summer.

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    I keep seeing random mention of Duncan's option as $6.4 million, while all along it is understood to be around $5.6 million. Most articles state the 5.6M figure but there are also quite a few mentions on this 6.4M figure (especially through some senior NBA reporters on Twitter). Weird that more than one writer/reporter would make such a mistake...

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    My prediction is that Duncan retires and Manu plays one more year.
    I'll bring on the hate train on myself bc you can't say anything without some guys flying off the handle saying I am hating on legends I admire, but we need Tim more than Manu.

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    Does Milutinov count towards the cap at his rookie number until they cosign a letter that he'll stay overseas? I think that's the ticket.

    What I'm wondering is if the Spurs decide to operate as an above the cap team, not renouncing exceptions & such, does that mean they can still sign Milutinov to a rookie deal without having to dip into an exception? Does he just equal a first round pick like any over the cap team that might have two firsts (just subbing in Milutinov and Murray for this scenario)?

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    At little off topic, but this is turning into the offseason thread a little bit. I hate the freaking Warriors, but I think the Spurs should build their team/bench one quality player at a time like the Warriors, especially be luckily set at three starting positions for the next three seasons (Aldridge,Leonard,Green) if they don't land Durant or Horford. I'm not getting into the salaries, but of course getting rid of Diaw and Mills would free us over $10 million if we take back nothing. I think this is the perfect offseason to go after a backup, and small ball four for years to come and also transition Kyle Anderson to the backup point guard and see if that's somewhere that's more comfortable for him and could play that at the NBA level.This roster I would be happy with to role with next season, and addresses some of our needs. Another component big (Gasol), or another year of Boban or bring over Milutinov. Another shooter (Bertans), and Slashers/Shooters (Marvin Williams/Batum/Deng) or Bazemore who could be a small ball three and has shown the ability to create for his teammates and himself.

    Gasol/Duncan/(Boban or Milutinov)
    Aldridge/West/(Jean-Charles or Milutinov)
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    I keep seeing random mention of Duncan's option as $6.4 million, while all along it is understood to be around $5.6 million. Most articles state the 5.6M figure but there are also quite a few mentions on this 6.4M figure (especially through some senior NBA reporters on Twitter). Weird that more than one writer/reporter would make such a mistake...
    I think there were performance bonuses attached that he's owed, like number of games won.
    Last edited by SAGirl; 06-29-2016 at 04:14 AM.

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    I think there were performance bonuses attached that he's owed, like number of games won.

    So if the actual figure could be 6.4M, why are most just reporting the basic figure of 5.6M?

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    many hypotheses, but Duncan and PATFO are always working together and certainly have a plan with him opting in, even if the plan is that he play another year (lmao Duncan unsure)

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    Tim Duncan can do whatever he wants at this point, he and Ginobili have been playing at a discount rate for years now.
    It is clear that he feels that another discount is not needed from him while "head of the snake" is sitting on 30 million bucks when he should have also been on a discount rate.
    This makes me think that is very unlikely that Manu returns to play for the minimum.

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    Duncan, Manu and Parker can be Spurs until they want out, they earned it.

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    It would be crazy, but there's so much money chasing so little talent. We're going to be updating the list of worst contracts ever over and over again this summer.
    That or we need to rethink what a bad contract actually is. It was pretty hard to give out a bad one last summer given the cap es this and next year.

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    D west cannot guard a single perimeter player.
    He could probably guard Bonner.

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    That or we need to rethink what a bad contract actually is. It was pretty hard to give out a bad one last summer given the cap es this and next year.
    Look at what Charlotte did. They gave Lamb a new contract and then eight months later offered a first-rounder for someone to take it off their ledger. And I bet that NO REALLY wishes Asik were on another team right now. What I think is hard is for good players to be on bad contracts. But bad players will still be able to sign bad contracts.

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    Tim Duncan can do whatever he wants at this point, he and Ginobili have been playing at a discount rate for years now.
    It is clear that he feels that another discount is not needed from him while "head of the snake" is sitting on 30 million bucks when he should have also been on a discount rate.
    This makes me think that is very unlikely that Manu returns to play for the minimum.
    Manure was making Tony Parker money in 2013 when 8 turnovers happened.

    Quit acting like he's earned <5M for his career lmao

    "he sacrificed, he can do whatever he wants"

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    He could probably guard Bonner.
    Or Parker

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    a big enough folding chair could guard parker.. just imagine him trying to probe around a beach chair..

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    a big enough folding chair could guard parker.. just imagine him trying to probe around a beach chair..
    I'd rather have a waffle guard Tony. It'd be cheaper and easier to transport.

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    I'd rather have a waffle guard Tony. It'd be cheaper and easier to transport.
    He'd eat it 4 seconds into the shot clock.. which leaves him 20 seconds to dribble..

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    I'm sure Tim and the team have a plan and we will soon know what it is. Part of that plan is for him to get paid some money. I think both Tim and Manu return and their sights are on Gasol.

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    D west cannot guard a single perimeter player.
    Exactly! I liked his efficiency in offense but honestly, he players know they can drive past him!

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    He'd eat it 4 seconds into the shot clock.. which leaves him 20 seconds to dribble..
    LOL. I was thinking that the waffle would move around so he'd have to keep chasing it. But I guess a robot waffle is unrealistic.

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    Endlessly criticizing Spurs seems to be the focus on this board, but anyways, D west opted out. I don't think he will take another minimum deal to play back up center. It wasn't an ideal situation for neither player nor team. We already have PF covered with LMA/Diaw/LJC. So if he comes back there is no doubt he would be center again and not in a minimum deal. I will pass on that.
    tend to agree but he was excellent last regular season. Based on Net Rtg, win share per 48, and P.E.R he was the 3rd best Spur last season (4th including Boban) I would like him back but Spurs should. I would hate to see him go.

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