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The only difference is paying Tim outside of his actual contract is cir vention (him opting out, retiring, then getting paid 5M to "coach"). I can see Tim/SA having a problem with that even if NBA could not do much.
He and Manu are in the same position, faced with the same choice and picked opposite roads. Yet neither knows where they will end up. I think Tim is following through with the plan, but I don't think he'll be able to finish it. Manu, I think, wants a pay raise if he comes back.
The only difference is paying Tim outside of his actual contract is cir vention (him opting out, retiring, then getting paid 5M to "coach"). I can see Tim/SA having a problem with that even if NBA could not do much.
What were RC's comments? I didn't see it in the thread. Were they posted?
Interesting. As expected, he appears to be torn between desperately wanting to play and the reality that he just might not be able to physically do it anymore, at least not at a level that's satisfactory to him.
I don't think this really changes anything roster wise though. When it's all said and done, I still think it'll be as follows . . .
Aldridge/Diaw/Jean-Charles
Leonard/Anderson/Bertans
Duncan or Gasol/Marjanovic/Lorbek?
Green/Ginobili/Simmons
Parker/Mills/Murray
Significant change is far more likely next season. Whether Duncan returns or not, it'll almost certainly be his and Ginobili's last, while Diaw and Mills will be up and they'll have had another year to determine where the younger players fit in.
I don't think they were posted - just read a snippet from Jeff McDonald's article:
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/sp...witter-premium
The Spurs still need clarity on whether Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili or David West intend to play next season.
Ginobili, 38, and West, 35, opted out of their contracts for next season in order to weigh options.
The 40-year-old Duncan exercised an option for $5.64 million Wednesday, but is still considering retirement.
“I don’t know we can dictate next year’s roster until we have clarity on our previous roster,” Buford said.
I apologize if this is a dumb question, but a few had suggested that there is a slim possibility that the FO could trade Duncan's contract if he chooses to retire. Could he state that he is retiring (or "hold off" on the decision) and not file the paperwork with the league office and still have his contract - possibly combined with another player(s) - used as a trade chip near the trade deadline of this upcoming season?
Let's just say he's not uncertain about what he wants. To me he seemed inclined to retire and those were the anonymous rumors coming out earlier in the month from the FO. This scenario still supports that inclination but his teammates, coach and fans are hoping he changes his mind. That's different from waffling.
Last edited by SAGirl; 06-29-2016 at 06:21 PM.
It was just a rumor, so there's no telling what was really going down. Only TD knows and maybe Pop, but that's not something they would leak.
They could have assumed that cause he hadn't made a quicker decision, but I think it's more about his body and how he feels and like Woj said his desire to play again.
I trust Woj's report far more than any rumors that came out before.
I didn't see the Woj's reports, but I am inclined to believe he knows what he wants. I don't think he's undecided, per se.. will have to look up woj
It's not much, he just said he's still deciding. This was the quote
He's always said he'll play till the wheels fall off and till it's not fun anymore. It seems this year he's genuinely undecided. I know none of us truly know, but it feels like he really isn't sure yetDuncan, 40, is still seriously contemplating his desire to continue playing, as well as judging how his body feels, league sources said.
I see, thanks for sharing that. That sounds like a hopeful state of indecision... the context at least seems more positive that he's considering a return than the previous rumors. He could be waffling then, and was seriously contemplating retiring earlier.
I hope that he does return. About 50 posts ago I remarked that I personally believed the Durant thing to be a long shot anyways, meantime Tim can help our youngest players improve which is the gift that keeps on giving, bc I believe we won't get over the hump until our youngsters are able to help us get there anyways.
Might as well play. Im looking for the new version of the big 3 and this year there doesnt seem to be someone to fill that other than KD. Plus I would be willing to bet that last year was supposed to be a transition year. There were too many new parts to figure out to think that it was championship or bust. Having said that I think the plan consisted of the current big 3 to have a little more than what they had.
After 19 years of selfless leadership, Tim is highly unlikely to be behaving selfishly around this decision. He will have consulted Pop and RC and they'll all know exactly what they're doing.
There is a plan here, we just don't know what it is - and may not like it when we do!
Cheers.
I call bull . He's not undecided. He already knows. He just hasn't told us but you can bet Pop knows.
He has declined earlier than ginobili, by any advanced stat.Manure was making Tony Parker money in 2013 when 8 turnovers happened.
Quit acting like he's earned <5M for his career lmao
"he sacrificed, he can do whatever he wants"
Not the point, he has been the most expensive of the big 3 by production alone and that, we can all agree, is not right as the one to be better payed should be Tim Duncan, Ginobili is rightfully below him, Parker is unrightfully over.
Already, Manu took the first paycut averaging what Tony did for the playoffs this and last year in 2014, making 7 millions.
Plus, is not that Tony has been payed LESS than Manu whatsoever, he has been payed more, even without the ty contract he has now, playing only one more season.
I wouldn't doubt if Pop knows more than anyone. I also don't usually doubt Woj.
Aren't the Spurs meeting with KD going to be Pop and Tim? Tim could have opted out and explained to KD at the meeting that he'd be willing to take the minimum if KD signs with the Spurs. Can the Spurs offer a one-year deal to KD then more when the new TV money kicks in after next year?
I don't think the Spurs have anything that will really entice Durant to make the move to SA.. You have Kawhi Leonard and LMA and that's pretty much it.. Danny doesn't move the needle, Tony doesn't either.. Dinosaur Duncan and Manu for 1 season? nah..
Had Duncan officially walked away without eating up money and manu decided to walk away the Spurs could legitimately say lets rebuild around you and Kawhi but it's just trying to stop gap until the old guys get enough or the FO grows a pair.
the point is that if Tim retires, Manu won't come back either and the "old big three era" will definitevely end...and probably here ends any chance to have kd. that's why I don't understand Tim's choice to opt in in case he still wants to play.
The ideal solution would have been to sell to kd the one year transition period of the old big three (plus Green) with the new big three...and, then, a more than exciting opportunity to became, just because of his signing, the main force in the league since the first year.
pretty much thisAfter 19 years of selfless leadership, Tim is highly unlikely to be behaving selfishly around this decision. He will have consulted Pop and RC and they'll all know exactly what they're doing.
There is a plan here, we just don't know what it is - and may not like it when we do!
at this point what we know for certain imo:
- There is nothing that Tim and Manu are doing without consultion FO and be aligned with them
- Tim & Manu won't play for another team
From there anything is quite possible
Yes - Manu and Tim are the true leaders of the team - 2 great players, smart, with great character. Love them both.
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