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    I apologize if this is a dumb question, but a few had suggested that there is a slim possibility that the FO could trade Duncan's contract if he chooses to retire. Could he state that he is retiring (or "hold off" on the decision) and not file the paperwork with the league office and still have his contract - possibly combined with another player(s) - used as a trade chip near the trade deadline of this upcoming season?
    I think they could. Someone better versed in the rules of contracts would have to confirm, but I think they did something similar to Bruce Bowen at the end of his career.

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    Since when is collecting on your contracted amount "selfish"?

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    Since when is collecting on your contracted amount "selfish"?
    Indeed. Moreover, Tim taking the money and running (if it does happen) was ALWAYS the plan. People acting like the Spurs have some secret way of handling this are overthinking it. Teams have to deal with dead money all the time. Tim taking the balance of the contract is just the team keeping up their end of the bargain. You just have to suck it up and deal when that happens.

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    Just saw that the Spurs lost another $750K of cap space. Duncan got that as a bonus for a 62+ win season. I didn't wade through a zillion posts to see if it's been mentioned before, but it was the first I had heard of it.

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    Just saw that the Spurs lost another $750K of cap space. Duncan got that as a bonus for a 62+ win season. I didn't wade through a zillion posts to see if it's been mentioned before, but it was the first I had heard of it.
    It doesn't matter, but it's a bit more complicated than that. The cap hit came from the fact that the league now believes Duncan will get that money again this season. They had already assumed he'd get it last season.

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    It doesn't matter, but it's a bit more complicated than that. The cap hit came from the fact that the league now believes Duncan will get that money again this season. They had already assumed he'd get it last season.

    Damn, you're on top of the numbers. Actually, it sounded like it must be for both years. His option was for something like $5.6M, but he's hitting the cap for over $7M?

    I guess it is what it is. But if Duncan is counting that much against the cap, it's just that much harder to sign a top FA, and still have money for role players.

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    Damn, you're on top of the numbers. Actually, it sounded like it must be for both years. His option was for something like $5.6M, but he's hitting the cap for over $7M?
    Nah. The way it worked is that we were wrong this whole time about Duncan's 2015-2016 cap number. It was an even $6 Million, but we thought it was $5.25 Million. Duncan had that bonus for the team winning 62 or more games. At the time, that was considered unlikely to be earned. Those don't count against the cap ... except for the first season. So Tim's official hits at the time of inking the deal were 6/5.6.

    But the Spurs DID meet the requirement. That had no effect on Duncan's 2015-2016 number, since that was already accounted for. But since the Spurs won more than 62 games last year, the league will change the nature of Duncan's incentive to likely to be earned during the moratorium. That will increase Duncan's cap hit by $750k, as that hadn't previously been slated to count. Hence the $6.4-Million cap hit now.

    However, it's interesting to note that if the team misses that incentive mark this season, that $750k should be added onto the cap for 2017.

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    tend to agree but he was excellent last regular season. Based on Net Rtg, win share per 48, and P.E.R he was the 3rd best Spur last season (4th including Boban) I would like him back but Spurs should. I would hate to see him go.
    Dworst is . Did you see the ing playofffs? Not the regular season. And even in the regular season he the bed vs all the good teams. Dude is a bum who cant rebound over a point guard.

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    The really fascinating thing is that Duncan's contract had any incentives at all. Like why not just give him the full $6 Million off the bat? I used to think it was a cap trick, but the CBA FAQ said that loophole was closed. So it really just didn't make sense.

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    Nah. The way it worked is that we were wrong this whole time about Duncan's 2015-2016 cap number. It was an even $6 Million, but we thought it was $5.25 Million. Duncan had that bonus for the team winning 62 or more games. At the time, that was considered unlikely to be earned. Those don't count against the cap ... except for the first season. So Tim's official hits at the time of inking the deal were 6/5.6.

    But the Spurs DID meet the requirement. That had no effect on Duncan's 2015-2016 number, since that was already accounted for. But since the Spurs won more than 62 games last year, the league will change the nature of Duncan's incentive to likely to be earned during the moratorium. That will increase Duncan's cap hit by $750k, as that hadn't previously been slated to count. Hence the $6.4-Million cap hit now.

    However, it's interesting to note that if the team misses that incentive mark this season, that $750k should be added onto the cap for 2017.
    Thanks. There are some sportswriters who should fact-check through you.

    Okay - it had no effect on 15-16, since that was already accounted for. But I bet the league still remembered to send the Spurs a bill for the extra $1.1M in tax for last year?

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    Dworst is . Did you see the ing playofffs? Not the regular season. And even in the regular season he the bed vs all the good teams. Dude is a bum who cant rebound over a point guard.
    except for the OKC home game in the RS where he came up big time late in the forth quarter.

    Based on advanced metrics he was clearly the 3rd best Spur last season (4th including Boban) in the PS his metrics were average in the PS, it was not like he was disaster. West and Diaw shouldn't have been pared together against an near historic rebounding team.

    first you acted as though trading Mills was more unthinkable than trading 03' Duncan now you claim that West is trash. Your next hot take will probably be that Kawhi is the worst defensive player in the NBA.

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    Well I doubt he'd exercise it if he wasn't coming back. So that's a good thing. He played amazingly well outside of against OKC. He's still valuable.

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    except for the OKC home game in the RS where he came up big time late in the forth quarter.

    Based on advanced metrics he was clearly the 3rd best Spur last season (4th including Boban) in the PS his metrics were average in the PS, it was not like he was disaster. West and Diaw shouldn't have been pared together against an near historic rebounding team.

    first you acted as though trading Mills was more unthinkable than trading 03' Duncan now you claim that West is trash. Your next hot take will probably be that Kawhi is the worst defensive player in the NBA.
    Everyone thinks Dworst is including all the fans and FO since they really don't want him back.

    Only you are making that case here. Literally just you. But keep thinking its just me saying it.

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    O i forgot. chinook also wants him as our starting center.

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    Can anyone else make a case for Dwest starting or even being the 3rd big off the bench? Anyone please. So I can laugh.

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    Can anyone else make a case for Dwest starting or even being the 3rd big off the bench? Anyone please. So I can laugh.

    Well since West spent his whole career as a PF, right up till the Spurs dumped him into the C slot, I don't think anyone would expect that to be a good idea. Especially not David West. That's like asking if Kawhi should be the backup PG. Sorry... bad example. I should know that many of the knob-gobbling Kawhi fanboys think Kawhi could play the 3 and the 1 at the same time. How about putting Kyle Anderson in as backup C?

    Why do some of you not understand that the Spurs were desperate, and threw West into a situation he didn't belong in? They paid the vet min for a backup C who is really a PF, and you're upset at West for how it worked?

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    Well since West spent his whole career as a PF, right up till the Spurs dumped him into the C slot, I don't think anyone would expect that to be a good idea. Especially not David West. That's like asking if Kawhi should be the backup PG. Sorry... bad example. I should know that many of the knob-gobbling Kawhi fanboys think Kawhi could play the 3 and the 1 at the same time. How about putting Kyle Anderson in as backup C?

    Why do some of you not understand that the Spurs were desperate, and threw West into a situation he didn't belong in? They paid the vet min for a backup C who is really a PF, and you're upset at West for how it worked?
    Love your sig dude. Always chuckle/small laugh when I see it.

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    Damn, you're on top of the numbers. Actually, it sounded like it must be for both years. His option was for something like $5.6M, but he's hitting the cap for over $7M?

    I guess it is what it is. But if Duncan is counting that much against the cap, it's just that much harder to sign a top FA, and still have money for role players.

    What top FA do you honestly think we'd sign anyway?

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    What top FA do you honestly think we'd sign anyway?

    Can't tell if you're asking a question, or just trying to be a . Probably the latter.

    If I had meant max player, I would have said max player. The consensus seems to be that Bazemore will be drawing around $18M, or even more. And that doesn't seem to be out of the ordinary for what we're going to see this offseason. Have you looked at the Spurs' cap numbers, or what happens if they sign one guy for even that much?

    People on ST just love to be s - even about things they don't understand. It doesn't add anything to any discussion, but it seems to be a hobby for some people. I've never seen any of your other 270 posts, but consider not being one of those guys.

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    O i forgot. chinook also wants him as our starting center.
    The West/Alridges pairings net rtg was +4.2 per 100 possessions. The spacing was significantly better with the two of them sharing the floor, teams couldn't leave West to double LMA because West is an excellent shooter. I would prefer Diaw in the starting lineup with West paired with Boban off the bench, however.

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    Everyone thinks Dworst is including all the fans and FO since they really don't want him back.

    Only you are making that case here. Literally just you. But keep thinking its just me saying it.
    Actually I have seen several other posters share the same opinions.

    Keep in mind ST were burying Manu after 2013, how did that work out?

    ST called Cojo a D leaguer even up until his 4th season, how did that work out?

    West had an excellent regular season and a mediocre PS, its just that simple.

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    Actually I have seen several other posters share the same opinions.

    Keep in mind ST were burying Manu after 2013, how did that work out?

    ST called Cojo a D leaguer even up until his 4th season, how did that work out?

    West had an excellent regular season and a mediocre PS, its just that simple.
    I'm in this camp.

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    The West/Alridges pairings net rtg was +4.2 per 100 possessions. The spacing was significantly better with the two of them sharing the floor, teams couldn't leave West to double LMA because West is an excellent shooter. I would prefer Diaw in the starting lineup with West paired with Boban off the bench, however.
    Vs OKC he was a choke job. End of story. How many times do I got to tell you gots.

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    Actually I have seen several other posters share the same opinions.

    Keep in mind ST were burying Manu after 2013, how did that work out?

    ST called Cojo a D leaguer even up until his 4th season, how did that work out?

    West had an excellent regular season and a mediocre PS, its just that simple.
    He's not gonna be a spur next year. Why is that got?

    Let me tell pop we need him.

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    Dwest has been a PROVEN chocker everywhere he goes. Let's give him more minutes...

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