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    manu if he wants a payday. tosb already preventing the you movement, now he wants to take more cap space than he is worth

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    The bolded part is exactly what will happen. The part in italics is what I am hoping will happen.
    LOL Kyle Anderson played like even when he subbed in real game time. He's a . Unless his testes drop you will be looking at a terrible, terrible basketball player.

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    Manu wants in on this superteam, tbh.

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    manu if he wants a payday. tosb already preventing the youth movement, now he wants to take more cap space than he is worth


    He does want to get paid. When he opted out, I had no notion he was coming back for less.
    Timmy took his option but it is bc he's retiring. They both did the team a solid last season. This was the season they were going to cash in.

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    He does want to get paid. When he opted out, I had no notion he was coming back for less.
    Timmy took his option but it is bc he's retiring. They both did the team a solid last season. This was the season they were going to cash in.
    If anything Manu coming back could mean Timmy may come back. Could be more motivation for him. I don't think anything is definitive with him at this point

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    If we strike out on Durant, this might be the best signing of the offseason, tbh...

    Give this man his $12m a season, he earned it, IMVHO

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    He does want to get paid. When he opted out, I had no notion he was coming back for less.
    Timmy took his option but it is bc he's retiring. They both did the team a solid last season. This was the season they were going to cash in.
    Yep, it's weird how people want to ignore this

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    I just don't know if it's accurate to say Manu or Pop is holding back young players...

    Manu doesn't play big minutes or 82 games a year. It's on these guys to come in and with the minutes they're given, earn them and make the most of them. If they can come in and consistently play well, (not to mention we don't know what happens in the practice and stuff behind the scenes) then they will play more. It would actually help give a guy like Manu a chance to have fresher legs later in the season if guys like Simmons/Anderson play well consistently, on both ends of the court.
    Basketball is a game of rhythm and the veterans need playing time to stay playing well, just as much as youngsters do. It can be argued that the youngsters need it even more bc they are still developing confidence and consistency. You can't ask them to come in and play consistently well when they aren't played consistently to begin with and are getting benched for a simple mistake, when veterans get away with TO and bad gambles on defense without being sat. It's a very different situation for them. They also need to be put in situations outside of garbage time to learn from their mistakes and develop. Garbage time is fine early on but after a while it doesn't present enough of a challenge. PPl scream bloody murder bc these guys weren't ready but they played most of their time through garbage time, and had very limited roles in minutes that counted. If we are getting more of the same, then we will have more of the same come playoff time. TOSB Manu won't be able to carry the team bc it should not be on him anymore at 39 years old, but the youngsters played the entire season off the ball, and off what he could do, and then garbage time. That's a failure set up right there.

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    If anything Manu coming back could mean Timmy may come back. Could be more motivation for him. I don't think anything is definitive with him at this point
    Manu also said his decision wasn't dependent on anyone else, explicitly. I think this is the one season Timmy had the real doubts and they were not on the same page. It was sort of between the lines. And this is not me saying I want Tim to retire. I want Timmy back, I just believe he really is that torn and more inclined towards retiring this time than he previously had... But he has a lot of time to change his mind still and I would not be surprised to learn he's rehabbing and listening to his body as we chat.

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    If we strike out on Durant, this might be the best signing of the offseason, tbh...

    Give this man his $12m a season, he earned it, IMVHO
    Since when did costing the Spurs 2 rings mean "earned"

    Spurs should follow the Clippers' example. Their 6th man was better and won more individual awards yet let that TOSB walk

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    Manu on the Clippers would make them immediate contenders, tbh... hopefully he's a Spur for life

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    Manu on the Clippers would make them immediate contenders, tbh... hopefully he's a Spur for life
    They don't need him, they already have a better 6th man in Austin Rivers. you can even say Prigioni is better than Manure nowadays

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    Im on the fence with Manu comming back to the Spurs. Main thing that beat the Spurs was lack of youth and it seems Spurs are just going to roll with the same players rhat ran out of gas last year yet even a year older. Either way love Manu though.

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    Why should he play for some absurdly low number again? It's not like he's going to ask for some unrealistic amount. He'll probably want something like $5M, which is still clearly a bargain even with the constant maintenance.

    The closest thing they could probably get to him, is Vasquez, who's a homeless man's version, is coming off of a significant injury, likely to make significantly more and would take them out of the running for Gasol.

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    Manu on the Clippers would make them immediate contenders, tbh... hopefully he's a Spur for life
    shhhh, don't give the Clips any ideas.

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    They don't need him, they already have a better 6th man in Austin Rivers. you can even say Prigioni is better than Manure nowadays
    Langston Galloway also looks like an All Star against the Spurs, tbh... not really Manu's fault, but whatever...

    At least you can run that manu-hater schtick to the ground for another year, tbh... need some new material, maybe throw a wrinkle on it to refresh it a bit, like "he's probably gay now that he lost his balls", etc... let me know if you need some pointers, tbh...

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    Deserves 5-6 a year tops. Anything more than that is too much

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    He also needs to fully commit playing off ball when Leonard is playing with him. Him as a primary ball handler of the bench is long gone...

    Way too many times he tried too much that caused the spurd games both in the regular season and in the playoffs.

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    They should just pay him.

    Better to keep his bird rights and pay him $12 million than trading away Green & losing Manu just to pay Pau his absurd $20

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    If we strike out on Durant, this might be the best signing of the offseason, tbh...

    Give this man his $12m a season, he earned it, IMVHO
    Please. If he played for any other franchise, he would be already be out of the league with his reckless style. The Spurs extended his career and money making with the way they handled him, especially when he kept playing international ball while hurt instead of letting his body heal.

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    Please. If he played for any other franchise, he would be already be out of the league with his reckless style. The Spurs extended his career and money making with the way they handled him, especially when he kept playing international ball while hurt instead of letting his body heal.
    He even gave one testicle for the Spurs... won us a ring on a broken leg... it's a two way street, both have mutually benefited from each other, and that's the players you want to have...

    But I'll agree he can't be the best player off the bench anymore, tbh.... Hopefully somebody like contract-year Diaw steps up and some of the kids grow up a bit too...

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    Basketball is a game of rhythm and the veterans need playing time to stay playing well, just as much as youngsters do. It can be argued that the youngsters need it even more bc they are still developing confidence and consistency. You can't ask them to come in and play consistently well when they aren't played consistently to begin with and are getting benched for a simple mistake, when veterans get away with TO and bad gambles on defense without being sat. It's a very different situation for them. They also need to be put in situations outside of garbage time to learn from their mistakes and develop. Garbage time is fine early on but after a while it doesn't present enough of a challenge. PPl scream bloody murder bc these guys weren't ready but they played most of their time through garbage time, and had very limited roles in minutes that counted. If we are getting more of the same, then we will have more of the same come playoff time. TOSB Manu won't be able to carry the team bc it should not be on him anymore at 39 years old, but the youngsters played the entire season off the ball, and off what he could do, and then garbage time. That's a failure set up right there.
    Were you watching back when Tony and Manu were rookies and very early in their career? Pop was similar with them in terms of minutes and being hard on them for mistakes they made. It's part of the process. You come in, play within the system, defend, and hustle.

    Will turnovers happen? Sure... But missed rotations, lack of hustle to loose balls, not communicating in transition, etc... That stuff is more important to Pop than what they do with the ball in their hands. I understand consistency matters and all that. But I just don't buy that as an excuse anymore. Far too often we see rookie mistakes that shouldn't happen anymore and too consistently.

    Guys need to be versatile and be able to provide in the minutes they're given. And I mean let's be honest, they are still getting decent minutes and playing time with Pop sitting guys and what not. Boban and Simmons were in suits far more than Anderson, and there were flashes at times from each that looked promising.

    When you have an opportunity, you have to make the most of it., plain and simple. And there are plenty of opportunities to be had when Pop rests guys or we are up/down big. Those minutes count for Pop. "staying ready" is important. Young or old, they've gotta be ready and come in and produce when called upon

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    If we strike out on Durant, this might be the best signing of the offseason, tbh...

    Give this man his $12m a season, he earned it, IMVHO
    gosh that would be terrible. Rather let him go and pay Tim $30M. He's the one who truly deserves it.

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    Retire. You're holding the bench back

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    Basketball is a game of rhythm and the veterans need playing time to stay playing well, just as much as youngsters do. It can be argued that the youngsters need it even more bc they are still developing confidence and consistency. You can't ask them to come in and play consistently well when they aren't played consistently to begin with and are getting benched for a simple mistake, when veterans get away with TO and bad gambles on defense without being sat. It's a very different situation for them. They also need to be put in situations outside of garbage time to learn from their mistakes and develop. Garbage time is fine early on but after a while it doesn't present enough of a challenge. PPl scream bloody murder bc these guys weren't ready but they played most of their time through garbage time, and had very limited roles in minutes that counted. If we are getting more of the same, then we will have more of the same come playoff time. TOSB Manu won't be able to carry the team bc it should not be on him anymore at 39 years old, but the youngsters played the entire season off the ball, and off what he could do, and then garbage time. That's a failure set up right there.
    This is a bad post. Yes, players need rhythm but they also have to earn playing time. None of the young players on the team have shown that they are deserving of taking signifiant minutes from the veterans on the team. People like to harp on Pop, but when he has young guys that are pushing the vets he plays them. Guys like Green, Kawhi, Tiago, and Hill all have earned PT by working their butt off in practice an then getting into games and showing that they can contribute.

    KA has not shown that. Simmons has not shown that. Doesn't mean they can't (although I'm very doubtful of either) but I don't blame Pop for playing guys who have proven they can play at the highest level over those two.

    Just b/c a player is young doesn't mean they should be trotted out for 25 minutes a night so they can get a rhythm and see if they can contribute.

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