Wow. So the guy is bigger. (That's a plus.) He shot well. (That's a HUGE plus.) And he needs the ball a lot to produce. (Well yeah, he IS a point guard.)
They had to guarantee by the end of July, right? I guess you could have lit fire under his feet by not guaranteeing. Even if they determine he shouldn't be on the roster, he'll have a market to dump for at least a top-55 protected second rounder (i.e., won't have to cut him outright and be on hook for his salary).
If only Kyle and Simmons could be combined into one guy.
Everyone wetting their pants over Forbes, I'm pretty sure you did the same thing last season after the other Bertans had a good shooting night in the summer league opener. We all know how that turned out, so calm down.
I don't have a problem with them guaranteeing Simmons' salary in the sense that they are willing to commit to having him for another year. I just don't like that they seem to have to do this for Simmons to play well. Dude is soooo freaking fragile. He needs to actually compete for his spot simply to show he can rise to the occasion. From what I have gathered, he's really never come up big when he needed to.
Forbes shot almost 50 percent from three in college last year, so it's not like this is a fluke.
Has nothing to do with that at all. I've been the one saying Manu can't be exclusively our best guy off the bench at this point. There's nothing I've seen that says he's good enough right now to have that role. And I'm talking about night in and night out against NBA compe ion. We knew since last season he's good enough against D-League/Summer League talent. Again, I hope I'm wrong on that.
Arch: 3 Pts on 1-2 shooting (1-1 from 3), 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 turnover, +/- of +17
Except he isn't a point guard, no matter how many times people like to repeat that. He'll be terrible at point at the NBA level, just not quick enough, and a waste of his length. I think the Spurs have the right idea to try to fit him in at the 3/4 position.
Dude's a winning player. I'm just not sure that he's a good player.
When I see Simmons, I see NBA bust written all over him. Great athleticism and fantastic dunks, but players like that are a dime a dozen. Simmons is not a trustworthy player who can deliver against big-time compe ion, especially in the playoffs.
Yeah, I love watching his dunks as much as you do, but at the end of the day, unless the Spurs plan to keep him on the roster so he can represent the team at the slam dunk compe ion, why bother?
I wish 82games.com was still a thing. I think Anderson's numbers at PF/C last year were great. But I don't know where to find the data to back that up anymore. That Pop could have tried for a roster and lineup that let Anderson stay at the three but decided to play him at the four is telling. I agree with you that there is uncertainty and pressure on Anderson to at least establish himself as a consistent rotation player this season. The dude clanked a lot of shots that he made in the summer league last season. He needs those to fall before he can start carrying anything.
I thought Arcidiacono had the most positive game. I particularly liked how he stayed squared in front with active hands while defending drivers, and he made a couple of excellent long passes, one a zipline about 5/6ths down the sideline while being pressed after an inbound.
I preferred last years Eddie to Forbes (one game caveat). Note that Anderson is two months younger than Forbes. Only Arcidiancono is younger on the official squad, if the absent Murray isn't counted.
Me, I like Ron Boone as an announcer. Boone may not have the names down for all the summer league squads (but then neither do many of the posters above), but Boone made accurate observations about the Spurs players even if couched in terms of how the Jazz players were dealing with the opposition. BTW, Boone is 38th in MP for the Spurs/Chaparrals franchise (admittedly all Chaps). Tiago Splitter is 39th.
82games finally posted last season's numbers, and yes-- KA's best match up numbers come at PF: http://www.82games.com/1516/15SAS8.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1516/1516SAS.HTM
Awesome. Thanks!
http://www.82games.com/1516/15SAS8.HTM
So yeah, Kyle Anderson had a net PER of 17.6, which doesn't make a ton of sense, since PER is normalized. But anyway, he had a PER of 25.4 and allowed a PER of 7.9. Both of those are superstar numbers. Obviously, this site has never been definitive, but I like it.
I was a Chaps fan way back (the only Texas team at that time, coached by Bob Bass) and Ron Boone was my favorite player. I always remember those times with great nostalgic fondness. Was Ron the one butchering Archi-dicuno's name or was it his sidekick?
I strongly preferred Forbes (in a micro-sample) because he showed handles that Eddie completely lacks.
He looked out of shape to me. He was sucking wind almost right away. He missed a couple of passes from Kyle inside, but it didn't look like it was because he has poor hands, it looked like it was because he wasn't ready. He really hustled for the tap outs, which indicates that he's paying attention. The Spurs have brought in a lot of bigs with physical gifts that can't seem to make a difference in a summer league game. Kirk made a difference despite having a relatively poor performance and putting up nearly zero stats.
Interesting discussion. Instead of quoting anybody will just add. Thanks for the 82 games data. That was interesting.I expect the arrival of Bertans to make Kyle rise to the occasion. Compe ion for spots is necessary. Kyle is going to have to earn it the old fashioned way. He scored easily in the RS though when he had freedom to look for his things and select his shots, and he set up others well. He was clutch in end of shot clock situations, and bailed out possessions often, let's not act like he couldn't score. But, he was made to be parked in a corner too much as a bench 3 playing off others and that was simply not his game. He needed work on his 3. It wasn't where it needed to be and he had to beat out Butler and Simmons for his spot. The season wasn't about him.
The good is that he did look to have potential to expand his range bc he was a very good midrange shooter already, even the long 2, that everyone hates off the dribble. The hand eye coordination seemed there to shoot well, but not the range. I think we all hoped with work he could extend his range and it's looking like he has worked on that.
This past season he stayed within his role. Even Kawhi was very inconsistent as a role player when he was kept off the ball and scoring off hustle plays and broken plays. I believe with more chances Kyle will rise to the occasion. Now if he's parked in a corner and we are watching Patty chuking long 2s off a screen then don't complain that he's not showing up.
Off subject but talked about some. I think Kyle adding strength is about defense and boxing out inside. It remains ever the most important thing. It helps his overall game bc he can finish hooks shots with contact and plays of that nature, but to defend better he had to be less of a featherweight. I think that's the main reason for added strength.
Key question is... did Kirk do the money sign at all? LOL...
I've seen him play better. His father was a high school coach. He's a smart guy with good instincts, but being out of shape when you're trying to break through might say a lot about his work ethic though. Not saying he makes the team, but he's definitely got the intelligence to make it in the Spurs' system.
They say it's hard to simulate game speed without playing games, and he wasn't a step behind everyone else. Didn't see any evidence of it in the second game. I don't think he makes the team either, but he's far and away the best big on the SL squad, which makes Cady a massive disappointment after only one game.
I think this is the season where he needs to establish what his niche is going to be, then excel at it. Like I said earlier, I might sound like I'm tough on him, but I really want him to succeed. If he fails, that's a two year project down the drain.
He'll stick in this league on athleticism alone. League is full of players that merely won the genetic lottery (ie: Zach LaVine)
Agree. Pop's tolerance for certain things is lower than others. Just like Mahinmi was going to find a place despite his fouling, someone like Simmons will always find a place even if he keeps turning the ball over the way he does.
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