Duncan to not announce retirement today

[Kawhitstorm]

Duncan's % of shots taken from 0-3 feet - .324 and 3-10 feet - .406

Gasol's % of shots taken from 0-3 feet - .245 and 3-10 feet - .192

Again, Gasol is a mid-range shooter who posts up smaller opponents which is means he's VERSATILE.

10 game sample size, 6 of which came against Ibaka/Adams.

Tim missed POINT BLANK shots which he should have made even if Hakeem was playing weakside defense.

He was unplayable against the Duds so if he wasn't useful against a team w/ a traditional lineup then what is the purpose of playing him? (To guard washed up Z-Bo?)

The bottom line is, there's no evidence to support the notion that Gasol is a better finisher. What he is, is a better shot creator, at this point.

You forgot to mention Pau was playing w/ the likes of Noah/Taj who don't command double teams & are actually ignored by the defense which won't be the case w/ LMA. Pau is similar to Boban when it come to finishing POINT BLANK shot at the rim, he can dunk or tip-in shot while barley jumping. (Pau's issue is finishing through contact similar to Softridge)

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Again, Gasol is a mid-range shooter who posts up smaller opponents which is means he's VERSATILE.



Tim missed POINT BLANK shots which he should have made even if Hakeem was playing weakside defense.

He was unplayable against the Duds so if he wasn't useful against a team w/ a traditional lineup then what is the purpose of playing him? (To guard washed up Z-Bo?)



You forgot to mention Pau was playing w/ the likes of Noah/Taj who don't command double teams & are actually ignored by the defense which won't be the case w/ LMA. Pau is similar to Boban when it come to finishing POINT BLANK shot at the rim, he can dunk or tip-in shot while barley jumping. (Pau's issue is finishing through contact similar to Softridge)

I never said anything to the contrary. I simply stated statistical evidence to dispel the notion that Gasol is a better finisher at the rim.

No question, he struggled mightily, but being tall and shooting within' ten feet doesn't mean if 1) It takes time to gather after the catch, 2) You struggle to elevate/explode, 3) You're playing against 2 athletic freaks.

Noah missed a lot of the season and Gasol played plenty with Mirotic. The reality is, Gasol's ability to finish at the rim has declined significantly the last 2 seasons.

[Kawhitstorm]

I never said anything to the contrary. I simply stated statistical evidence to dispel the notion that Gasol is a better finisher at the rim.

There are stats for contested & uncontested shots, that's more relevant than anything in this debate b/c Tim was missing UNCONTESTED shots. Otherwise, DeMarcus Cousins shot 59% for 0-3 ft I guess that means Tim is a better finisher than Cousins.

No question, he struggled mightily, but being tall and shooting within' ten feet doesn't mean if 1) It takes time to gather after the catch, 2) You struggle to elevate/explode, 3) You're playing against 2 athletic freaks.

He looked fine to me against PRE-injury Tim when he was being guarded 1-on-1:

Noah missed a lot of the season and Gasol played plenty with Mirotic. The reality is, Gasol's ability to finish at the rim has declined significantly the last 2 seasons.

Pau was getting doubled after Butler got injured which was why he was racking up assists. Even when Butler was in the lineup most teams would just help off Snell when Pau posted up. (Butler/Rose are also mediocre shooters which doesn't help the spacing)

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There are stats for contested & uncontested shots, that's more relevant than anything in this debate b/c Tim was missing UNCONTESTED shots. Otherwise, DeMarcus Cousins shot 59% for 0-3 ft I guess that means Tim is a better finisher than Cousins.




He looked fine to me against PRE-injury Tim when he was being guarded 1-on-1:





Pau was getting doubled after Butler got injured which was why he was racking up assists. Even when Butler was in the lineup most teams would just help off Snell when Pau posted up. (Butler/Rose are also mediocre shooters which doesn't help the spacing)

Yeah, but there's gray area on many of them. Duncan missed a lot of late contests or shots where he was essentially running into traffic and getting smothered. Those are not "layups", just because they're within' the vicinity of the rim.

That was about Duncan and basing anything off of one game, is foolish.

Spin this all you want, the reality is, there's not nearly the difference in finishing at the rim between them as the perception is among Spurs fans. Gasol's clearly a better range shooter and shot creator, at this point, though.

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Duncan's % of shots taken from 0-3 feet - .324 and 3-10 feet - .406

Gasol's % of shots taken from 0-3 feet - .245 and 3-10 feet - .192

Both the previous sets and these encompass the entire season's worth.


10 game sample size, 6 of which came against Ibaka/Adams.

The bottom line is, there's no evidence to support the notion that Gasol is a better finisher. What he is, is a better shot creator, at this point.

Gasol is an above average finisher but Duncan is elite, Gasol is a career 65% finisher from 0-3 feet during the regular season while Duncan is at an insane 69.4%.

Pau had a rough season around the rim and has dropped each of the last three seasons from
67.1% to 13-14, 61.3%, to 14-15, and 56.6% in 15-16. I don't think that that will be as much of an issue this season with the Spurs however. I'd expect him to be back up to near in career averages.

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Gasol is an above average finisher but Duncan is elite, Gasol is a career 65% finisher from 0-3 feet during the regular season while Duncan is at an insane 69.4%.

Pau had a rough season around the rim and has dropped each of the last three seasons from
67.1% to 13-14, 61.3%, to 14-15, and 56.6% in 15-16. I don't think that that will be as much of an issue this season with the Spurs however. I'd expect him to be back up to near in career averages.

What are Bobans finishing #s?

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah, but there's gray area on many of them. Duncan missed a lot of late contests or shots where he was essentially running into traffic and getting smothered. Those are not "layups", just because they're within' the vicinity of the rim.

Tim's shot became contested at the rim b/c he was SLOW as molasses (ala Perkins:) when he was dragging TWO bum knees.

Spin this all you want, the reality is, there's not nearly the difference in finishing at the rim between them as the perception is among Spurs fans. Gasol's clearly a better range shooter and shot creator, at this point, though.

Tim is basically Noah status w/ two crippled knees (Noah shot 44% from 0-3 ft last season while essentially taking similar shots).

[cutewizard]

THE RETIREMENT OF DUNCAN, from the point of view of the Tarot:


The main themes of this archetype are abandonment and endings. Something has reached the end of its natural cycle and it is time to move away from it. Very often this involves a turning point in a relationship, when you realize that it has run its course and nothing more can be gained from it. Although this can be very difficult or even heart-rending at the time, the Eight of Chalices carries a sense of inevitability. There is a feeling that you have no other options. There is also the promise, even if it remains unspoken, that happier times will follow.
The finality associated with this card can seem uncompromising and bleak. It often describes a relationship or situation that is a spent force. For instance, it may be a bloodless marriage in which both partners no longer have anything in common, so one of the partners finally plucks up the courage to end it and begin again. Outsiders may wonder why, since on the surface the couple got on so well together or appeared to share such a contented life. This might well happen when the couple’s children leave home and they become much more reliant on each other’s company. They then come to the uncomfortable realization that they no longer have anything to offer each other and that their only link is their children. They may even begin to feel like strangers.
It takes courage to be able to walk away from a relationship, especially if this will cause frictions within the family. Yet what other choices are there?
The illustration on this card depicts a peculiar moon, which appears to be full and new at the same time. This indicates that one cycle has to end before another can begin. Full moons are a classic sign of endings, while new moons are traditional indications of fresh beginnings. So there is more hope contained within this card’s message than may at first be apparent. There might also be a sense of relief, even if it seems in bad taste to admit it to yourself. Even though you are coping with the breakdown of the relationship and all that this involves, you may experience a dawning sense of liberation and excitement at what the next stage of your life may bring. You might also be able to salvage a good deal from the relationship, especially if you are able to end it at the right time. Clinging on in desperation long after you should have let go may only lead to bitterness and frustration on both sides.
Sometimes, the Eight of Chalices describes the end of cherished hopes and dreams. You may have to accept that you gave a project your best shot and that it simply did not succeed, so it is time to move on to something else. There is no point in chastising yourself for this because you will have to accept that it is just one of those things. Later on, you may even decide that it was obviously not meant to happen, or you will realize that you are glad your plans had to be abandoned because something much better took their place.

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What are Bobans finishing #s?

73.8 percent and almost half of his shots came from 0-3 feet. Damn shame we couldn't keep him.

[2centsworth]

GOAT didn't want to announce on Friday cuz of the shootings.

His knee simply didn't respond.