Article: Ginobili heard all summer how he should have been finals MVP

[spurschick]

I just finished reading this whole thing... it's like we're picking up where we left off in June. Classic. Manu is like crack. He gets you addicted.

[Mavs<Spurs]

What the is you point??? that Tim is the real MVP?? Newsflash!! I NEVER SAID HE WASN'T!!

Looking at the topic and hearing you and a couple of the other posters, it sure sounds like you all think that Manu deserved the MVP this year more than Tim.
I am not the only poster in here that understood you to be writing this.
and its certainly not true.

Without Manu and without a great replacement, we certainly would not have won the le this year. Certainly Manu is currently underpaid. Remember that this is the first year that he got to the all star game and was not voted in. Therefore, perhaps his salary is not as unjustifiable as it might seem. Whenever he renegotiates his contract (if he does), he will undoubtedly get more. Manu made a number of important plays that made a difference in whether or not we won the le. However, if somebody else was able to make those kind of plays instead of Manu, then the Spurs still win. Without Manu and with Wade or Kobe or T Mac, I believe that we still would have won the le. At this stage in their careers it is extremely difficult to argue convincingly that Manu is as good as or better than any of those three. I think that there are very few basketball fans who would agree with that proposition because it is pretty clearly untrue.
Anyone disagree with my statement?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Looking at the topic and hearing you and a couple of the other posters, it sure sounds like you all think that Manu deserved the MVP this year more than Tim.
I am not the only poster in here that understood you to be writing this.
and its certainly not true.

Without Manu and without a great replacement, we certainly would not have won the le this year. Certainly Manu is currently underpaid. Remember that this is the first year that he got to the all star game and was not voted in. Therefore, perhaps his salary is not as unjustifiable as it might seem. Whenever he renegotiates his contract (if he does), he will undoubtedly get more. Manu made a number of important plays that made a difference in whether or not we won the le. However, if somebody else was able to make those kind of plays instead of Manu, then the Spurs still win. Without Manu and with Wade or Kobe or T Mac, I believe that we still would have won the le. At this stage in their careers it is extremely difficult to argue convincingly that Manu is as good as or better than any of those three. I think that there are very few basketball fans who would agree with that proposition because it is pretty clearly untrue.
Anyone disagree with my statement?

I sure would like for you to show me one, just ONE post where I say Manu should have been the MVP and not Duncan. Just one! You are clearly understanding what you want to understand, and that is not my problem.

[milkyway21]

no one is dissing Manu
even if he played 7 good games, which he didn't
he wasnt the MVP
it was Tim Duncan

he disappeared in finals game 3 loss.

Duncan was the highest ave. scorer/rebounder/shot-blocker in the finals despite playing w/ left/right injured ankles and that game7 3rd qtr.control.
He deserved the MVP. Manu came close.

I hope people would stop arguing over who the real MVP. We both love these two players and they compliment each other.

Let's start the season with team chemistry and nice harmony among Spurs fans around the world.

[vsnba]

I love manu and I wish him to have future both Final and Regular season MVP and I want Spurs to reapeat but Don't question about 2005 final MVP Duncan

[spurschick]

he disappeared in finals game 3 loss.

Everybody disappeared in game 3... and game 4.

[woodseed]

Umm, I love Manu, and I love Timmy, but I think I can say that Timmy is the MJ of the Spurs and Manu is the Scottie Pippen...

So no matter how great Manu is (like Scottie), you can't justify him being the MVP over Timmy (Jordan).

Nonetheless, Manu was undoubtly a difference maker.

[milkyway21]

Everybody disappeared in game 3... .

don't think so...Tony made 21 pts., Brent made some 3s...total 10 pts. Manu only contributed 7 pts.

[Athenea]

Sorry Alvie

[Kori Ellis]

^^ Actually that's Alvarez and his friend.

[Athenea]

I hope Alvie forgives me coz he knows I love him.

[Banks91]

YO for real, ya'll need to chill with this Manu nut gobbling. I mean lets see, first ring, he wasnt around, second he was a role player, a very unimportant role player. So he did something this year and suddenly he's supposed to be the difference maker.

I mean, this franchise would 2 les even without ever drafting him. Also, if manu hadnt been around, Stephen Jackson would be here now, be our starting guard.

Even u Manu homers gotta see that there wouldn't be a fall off if we had Jackson right now. The people that are overrating Manu are probably the same ones who were sayin the Lakers should keep kobe instead of shaq when the break up was close to happening.

[vanvannen]

NOBODY on this board is saying Manu is better than Timmy. I actually don't even agree with those who say he would have gotten the MVP award. Tim is the cornerstone of this franchise. The Spurs live or die by him.
But saying that Manu could have been replaced by any other guard (including sucker puncher SJ) is just idiotic. Even Timmy told Manu he deserved the award too, so if the best player on the planet is saying it, there must be some reason, right?

[Nikos]

YO for real, ya'll need to chill with this Manu nut gobbling. I mean lets see, first ring, he wasnt around, second he was a role player, a very unimportant role player. So he did something this year and suddenly he's supposed to be the difference maker.

I mean, this franchise would 2 les even without ever drafting him. Also, if manu hadnt been around, Stephen Jackson would be here now, be our starting guard.

Even u Manu homers gotta see that there wouldn't be a fall off if we had Jackson right now. The people that are overrating Manu are probably the same ones who were sayin the Lakers should keep kobe instead of shaq when the break up was close to happening.

Why not go a little futher? You could put any 4 players in the NBA with Duncan and a le would be 100% gurunteed as long as he was healthy. Why even cheer the rest of the team? Why credit them with anything? Every win is ALL because of Duncan. Duncan was perfect throughout the entire playoff run, and if he ever struggled in a game it is because the entire team sucked so much and made him get tired from not helping him.

Your very insightful analysis has made me realize this. Thank you.

[Banks91]

Cmon Nikkos, that argument right there is weak. At least vanvannen said something about my post. You just started rambling about something i did not say.

As for my post, can either of u , or anybody for that matter, dispute my claim that we have 2 les without any real impact from manu? Manu himself admitted that this championship felt real good for him , considering he didnt really do anything the first time around. i mean how can u argue against that when the player himself said that.

Ok, lets move to this championship. Any body here gonna argue against Jackson = manu? Jackson was our second best player in most of the 2003 playoffs, and i , and all of u im sure, would agree we wouldve won last years le had he been still on our team. With his shooting, and overall clutchness.

[cheguevara]

at those idiots who say if Stephen Jackson instead of Manu, we still would have won. That's gotta be the most ridiculous ever. Even more ridiculous than those morons who say Manu over TD for MVP.

Jackson is only better than Manu at one thing, beating the crap out of little white Detroit fans.

[Nikos]

Cmon Nikkos, that argument right there is weak. At least vanvannen said something about my post. You just started rambling about something i did not say.

As for my post, can either of u , or anybody for that matter, dispute my claim that we have 2 les without any real impact from manu? Manu himself admitted that this championship felt real good for him , considering he didnt really do anything the first time around. i mean how can u argue against that when the player himself said that.

Ok, lets move to this championship. Any body here gonna argue against Jackson = manu? Jackson was our second best player in most of the 2003 playoffs, and i , and all of u im sure, would agree we wouldve won last years le had he been still on our team. With his shooting, and overall clutchness.

Your post was horrible.

Ginobili wasn't even much worse (if at all) in 2003 than Jackson. Statisically Jackson was a little better while playing a few more minutes. He hit more BIG perimeter jumpshots -- but Manu was finishing most of the games as well and playing his best ball against the Lakers (where Jack was MIA). Parker was at times the Spurs 2nd best player, sometimes Manu was in the Laker series, sometimes Jack was in some of the elimination games. I hardly would say Jackson was a true second star, actually -- no he wasn't even close. 12.8ppg? Just because he has the label of 2nd/3rd scorer and you feel he was the second best player -- doesn't mean his contributions were equivalent to what Ginobili did in this years playoff run.

Ginobili did a lot more in this playoff run than any support player to Duncan in 2003. That is a fact. If you can't acknowledge the difference between 21ppg on 50% shooting and anything the support put up for Duncan in 2003, then you are just plain stupid. Sorry.

(Only reason I even replied to this is because you couldn't understand I was being sarcastic in the previous post).

[cheguevara]

Ok, lets move to this championship. Any body here gonna argue against Jackson = manu? Jackson was our second best player in most of the 2003 playoffs, and i , and all of u im sure, would agree we wouldve won last years le had he been still on our team. With his shooting, and overall clutchness.

Spursdaone? is that u?

[MiNuS]

I almost read the whole thread and I have to hand it to ducks & MaNuMaNia for making this a very enjoyable morning read.

I can see the point both are making about Tim & Manu and the only way to remedy this is to win another 4 championships and have Manu win at least one finals MVP.

We can make all the arguements that without Duncan there is no championship but then again we seem to forget that both Duncan & Ginoblili faced off in the Olympics and Manu got the best of Tim. I know its a completely differrent arena but common people basketball is basketball.Let me ask you this: How come America always remembers the Olympic Hockey team of 1980 as one of the greatest triumphs in American sport???????.............??

I just feel damn proud that we can have both Duncan & Ginobili on the same team.
IMO Manu was the MVP of the Finals. After seeing Duncan sobbing with his head down in game 4 he lost alot of my respect or was it game 6??? (Mental block)

[Solid D]

Bruce Bowen switching over to cover Billups the entire 4th qtr. of Game 7 and his defense in general was MVP-type work, in my book.

He also turned Shawn Marion, who had killed Dallas in the prior series with the Suns, into someone who was not open and not an option on offense.

[1Parker1]

Yep, the team had a lot of MVP's and if Duncan and Manu don't seem to care who got it, why are so many of you take it personally?

[Summers]

I just finished reading this whole thing... it's like we're picking up where we left off in June. Classic. Manu is like crack. He gets you addicted.

Do you have any idea how badly I want to say Manu didn't win the MVP award because he's white?

[cheguevara]

For those who don't know MVP = Most Valuable Player. MVP of the Spurs, there's only 1, Duncan.

But without: Duncan, Manu, Bowen, Horry. either of those, we would have not won the championship.

[picnroll]

Good to see fans arguing it not the players. If the Spurs players were as concerened about who got the glory as the Spurs' fans are the Spurs would be screwed .... or the Lakers .... or both.

[Mixability]

If I had to choose, I'd rather have TD then Manu. I just feel he's that more dominant. After rooting for the DRob era Spurs and then the TD era Spurs, it would feel weird to not have a dominant big man on the team.

Here's a weird equation:
If Manu=Kobe
and Kobe=no playoffs
does that mean Manu=no playoffs?

Not to start a war, but I couldn't see the Spurs squad getting very far with Manu as the go to guy.