Article: Ginobili heard all summer how he should have been finals MVP

**BigVee** · 10-06-2005

Cmon Nikkos, that argument right there is weak. At least vanvannen said something about my post. You just started rambling about something i did not say.

As for my post, can either of u , or anybody for that matter, dispute my claim that we have 2 les without any real impact from manu? Manu himself admitted that this championship felt real good for him , considering he didnt really do anything the first time around. i mean how can u argue against that when the player himself said that.

Ok, lets move to this championship. Any body here gonna argue against Jackson = manu? Jackson was our second best player in most of the 2003 playoffs, and i , and all of u im sure, would agree we wouldve won last years le had he been still on our team. With his shooting, and overall clutchness.

Yeah, right. I am sure all Spurs fans would have felt real comfortable with Jackson standing at the point with the clock running down needing him to dribble and make a play for his team to win a playoff game. Can anyone say turnover? For the 2005 playoffs at least, Manu did things Jackson never could have done.

**cheguevara** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by Danyo

Here's a weird equation:
If Manu=Kobe
and Kobe=no playoffs
does that mean Manu=no playoffs?

Not to start a war, but I couldn't see the Spurs squad getting very far with Manu as the go to guy.

what kind of logic is that? You have to take into account the teams. Spurs >>>> Lakers. Which means Kobe or Manu could have gotten to the playoffs w/Spurs not Lakers.

**Mixability** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by cheguevara

what kind of logic is that? You have to take into account the teams. Spurs >>>> Lakers. Which means Kobe or Manu could have gotten to the playoffs w/Spurs not Lakers.

take note of the ? at the end. That means its a question if you don't know.

**Mixability** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by cheguevara

what kind of logic is that? You have to take into account the teams. Spurs >>>> Lakers. Which means Kobe or Manu could have gotten to the playoffs w/Spurs not Lakers.

and I couldn't see Kobe taking any team to the playoffs without a quality big man. A Manu led Spurs team would be exciting, but not very successful.

TD and Manu are the Ying and Yang, they play off of each other, you know the "inside out" game? It would suck to not have either one, but I'd survive without Manu as would the Spurs.

**MaNuMaNiAc** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by minusplus

I almost read the whole thread and I have to hand it to ducks & MaNuMaNia for making this a very enjoyable morning read.

I can see the point both are making about Tim & Manu and the only way to remedy this is to win another 4 championships and have Manu win at least one finals MVP.

We can make all the arguements that without Duncan there is no championship but then again we seem to forget that both Duncan & Ginoblili faced off in the Olympics and Manu got the best of Tim. I know its a completely differrent arena but common people basketball is basketball.Let me ask you this: How come America always remembers the Olympic Hockey team of 1980 as one of the greatest triumphs in American sport???????.............??

I just feel damn proud that we can have both Duncan & Ginobili on the same team.
IMO Manu was the MVP of the Finals. After seeing Duncan sobbing with his head down in game 4 he lost alot of my respect or was it game 6??? (Mental block)

wait, wait, wait! Let's get something strait, I said NOTHING about Tim. Everything was going on fine, until duck's stupid comment. In fact, I don't think there is anyone in this thread (with an Argentinian flag) that actually believes Manu deserved the MVP MORE so than Tim, even if that is what they wanted.

People are confusing the topic of the article with a sideline discussion about ducks stupid post, that's all. This is just a bad case of out-of-topic discussion.

This whole mess was NOT about wether Manu was the real MVP or not, this is about how important Manu's contribution to the 2004-05 championship run was. Its interesting to see how some people seem to think Manu is ordinary and easily replaceable now that the championship is under the belt. How easy people forget...

**MaNuMaNiAc** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by Banks91

Cmon Nikkos, that argument right there is weak. At least vanvannen said something about my post. You just started rambling about something i did not say.

As for my post, can either of u , or anybody for that matter, dispute my claim that we have 2 les without any real impact from manu? Manu himself admitted that this championship felt real good for him , considering he didnt really do anything the first time around. i mean how can u argue against that when the player himself said that.

Ok, lets move to this championship. Any body here gonna argue against Jackson = manu? Jackson was our second best player in most of the 2003 playoffs, and i , and all of u im sure, would agree we wouldve won last years le had he been still on our team. With his shooting, and overall clutchness.

yeah, me

**Guru of Nothing** · 10-06-2005

Nice haul Ducks.

**Banks91** · 10-06-2005

looooooooooool ya'll some jokers

**MiNuS** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

!This whole mess was NOT about wether Manu was the real MVP or not, this is about how important Manu's contribution to the 2004-05 championship run was. Its interesting to see how some people seem to think Manu is ordinary and easily replaceable now that the championship is under the belt. How easy people forget...

I only know that as long as Tim and Manu don't get all fussed up over I don't care.Spurs fans have the best of both worlds.

I am just saying that IMO it doesn't look good for the "MVP" to be sobbing with his head down like a little kid. He made up for it but I don't agree on it.If this was all about points and stats sure Duncan is a clear MVP but as far as leadership Manu heads the class.

Let me tell you,know one opens the middle for Manu.Sure Duncan can open up easy shots but when that isn't happening because sometimes Duncan kept throwing bricks again and again,Manu did something to change the pace.

Im happy as long as Manu doesn't read too much into it and makes this a "Jerry Jones/Jimmy Johnson" deal if you know what Im saying.

I know he doesn't.

We're so ing loaded this year the waterboy might win MVP!

**Banks91** · 10-06-2005

I forgot who mentioned the 21p on 50% shootin, and comparing it too jacksons 2003 stats. U dumb , obviously im talkin about this Jackson, not the 2003 jackson.
And considering that the spurs are a class franchise, u dont think Jackson wouldve kept his cool had he been on the spurs??

**manubili** · 10-06-2005

Tim and Manu are an almost perfect match, both great players, both humble and unseflish. They know it, and that's why they don't care about all this crap.
Tim deserved the MVP, Manu came close, and that's was just awsome.
Spurs got a ring but it seems to be not enough for us. Sad.

Man, we are champs, and it was because of our whole team.

If you want to get overhyped over individuals, go and watch some tennis, and STFU.

**MiNuS** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by manubili

Man, we are champs, and it was because of our whole team.

I want to be on the Wheaties box!!!!!!!

NOW!

**Ginobili_20_gold_medalist** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by Nikos

Your post was horrible.

Ginobili wasn't even much worse (if at all) in 2003 than Jackson. Statisically Jackson was a little better while playing a few more minutes. He hit more BIG perimeter jumpshots -- but Manu was finishing most of the games as well and playing his best ball against the Lakers (where Jack was MIA). Parker was at times the Spurs 2nd best player, sometimes Manu was in the Laker series, sometimes Jack was in some of the elimination games. I hardly would say Jackson was a true second star, actually -- no he wasn't even close. 12.8ppg? Just because he has the label of 2nd/3rd scorer and you feel he was the second best player -- doesn't mean his contributions were equivalent to what Ginobili did in this years playoff run.

Just to support your post here are recaps from a Laker fan of all people lol. Anyone that calls Ginobili an "unimportant" role player on the 2003 team is just plain stupid.

http://www.nbahoy.com.ar/playoffs/pl...lakerspurs.htm

And I love this quote...

"The Spurs finally did what they needed to win, and that was leaving Manu Ginobili on the court in the final quarter. He is the only Spur with enough character to play in the crucial moments. Without his key plays this series would have been completely different."

**ducks** · 10-06-2005

man I must have really upset a whole country

**Mixability** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by ducks

man I must have really upset a whole country

you want them real upset? tell them Manu is hispanic!

**hendrix** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by Danyo

you want them real upset? tell them Manu is hispanic!

What's the problem, he IS hispanic

**manubili** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by hendrix

What's the problem, he IS hispanic

The only ones with a problem about manu being called hispanic are some americans
It's incredible that we have discussed this for eons, and some still don't get it.

**hendrix** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by vsnba

I love manu and I wish him to have future both Final and Regular season MVP and I want Spurs to reapeat but Don't question about 2005 final MVP Duncan

Whats that about "Dont question"?
The MVP voting was not unanimous, you know? It was like 6-5 or so. So even tho I believe that Duncan is the MVP in most of the single games, every opinion is allowed.
Manu even won the "public" vote.

**Banks91** · 10-06-2005

LOOOOOOOOl this is gettin funnier by the minute. U kno something, kobe didnt get a gassed head from nowhere ;u kno, its the media and fans. Until the rape thing, and the kickin shaq out of LA, kobe was the golden child.Nobody wouldve though wat happened wouldve happened. So for all you nut huggers, relax, before u turn manu into a prima donna, and dont tell me it cant happen. LA fans wouldve told u the same thing 3 years ago

**nkdlunch** · 10-06-2005

Kobe was hated by most by his 3d year in the league. apples and oranges

**FoxMulder** · 10-06-2005

jejeje don´t forget basketball is team sport. One single player never win a championship
Larry Bird, Magic and even Jordan won when they had a team around... with the correct pieces...
I don´t know if the Spurs could win without manu but they win in 99 (don´t forget the asterisk) and lost every playoff until 2003... with Tim Duncan and great players...
I guess Duncan, Manu and Parker make a nice combo, but if they are alone, they can´t make much to win a championship...

thanks God they are together... with a strong team behind them

Oh! and about the MVP... Manu could win if he was playing at high level seven games... he did in games 1-2 and 7
Duncan was a little bit consistent (he had awful games too, like 5 and 6)... not brilliant but that was enough...
And he is still the Spurs main star...
MVP was well deserved by Duncan...

thanks God Manu isn´t kobe and Tim isn´t Shaq...

**TOP-CHERRY** · 10-06-2005

Originally Posted by FoxMulder

(don´t forget the asterisk)

Mouse won't ever let us forget it; don't you worry.

**smeagol** · 10-06-2005

Ducks is to Manu what Brewski is to Tony.

(Probably not as bad, but getting there.)

**TOP-CHERRY** · 10-06-2005

...Ducks is to Duncan what Smeagol is to Manu.

Kidding.

**batman2883** · 10-06-2005

Manu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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