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Who's the third?
or maybe some res ipsa loquitor ?
Who's the third?
fo shizzlis mi dizzlis
He quoted you properly from the beginning. Now go be a to others and leave the real debate to more polite people.
so was signing him -- in the market that existed at that time.
It was fiscally responsible for the Spurs to sign Malik Rose to the contract his play commanded on the open market, particularly because it kept Rose away from the Spurs most significant rival.
Fiscal responsibility does not equal fiscal austerity. Fiscal responsibility is assuring that you act rationally given all of the market factors that exist. It is assuring that in spending money, you are not spending yourself into a non-compe ive position or out of business. Fiscal austerity, on the other hand, is simply not spending money except as absolutely necessary.
Malik's contract: (a) kept him away from the Spurs biggest rival; while (b) staying within the going rate for a player of his skills and abilities -- Malik's contract is commensurate with the contracts for similar players across the league:
7 years/$42M -- Malik Rose
6 years/$38.5M -- Mark Blount
7 years/$73M -- Erick Dampier
6 years/$51.2M -- Adonal Foyle
6 years/$39.9M -- Juwon Howard
4 years/$34M -- P.J. Brown
6 years/$36M -- Dan Gadzuric
6 years/$34.035M -- Joe Smith
5 years/$30.7M -- Udonis Haslem
7 years/$51M -- Austin Croshere
7 years/$42M -- Lorenzen Wright
6 years/$48.75M -- Maurice Taylor
5 years/$30M -- Jerome James
7 years/$50M -- Kenny Thomas
7 years/$38M -- Danny Fortson
6 years/$50M -- Mehmet Okur
6 years/$36.77M -- Etan Thomas
By the way, here's my link. Of those are contracts, some were signed before the Spurs signed Malik in July of 2002, and many were signed after that decision.
I suppose implacable44 might say that those objective numbers should somehow be ignored or prove nothing.
I would say that they tend to prove that the market for experienced big guys with serious holes in their games is contracts that are 5-7 years in length, paying out $30-$50 million over their lives.
Of the guys on that list, though, only Malik Rose and Okur had played significant minutes for a team that had won a le and only Malik Rose was courted by the biggest impediment to that team's le hopes in the future.
Last edited by FromWayDowntown; 10-13-2005 at 10:40 AM.
more polite people who use vulgar language and tell people to stfu ? invitation still stands - or you could tell me where you are and when I go home to visit in two weeks I will come see you and see if you can make me STFU. how you like those apples?
I agree.so was signing him -- in the market that existed at that time.
implacable44- Are you a “Cage Fighter" Also?
Malik is an undersized guy with no position. he is 6'7 in heels and most of those guys you quoted salaries of are 6'10" and taller. I remember the message boards when the Spurs gave him that money and not too many people were happy about it and that feeling only increased with time and now he will be a knick and probably see little to no playing time. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said they wanted to keep him away from their biggest rival - the Lakers.
I didn't like the contract at the time and liked it even less as time went on. But after looking at those contracts I have to admit that it makes a lot more sense now. Still can't say I support that deal for Malik, but in the end, we were able to trade him, and acquire a starting center for 1 (soon to be 2) NBA Championships.
coopdogg3
no - not at all. But I don't appreciate people calling me names - especially foul language and most message boards don't tolerate such language. No problem though - easy to talk big on a message board.
You're the one who came out swinging...calling people names first, saying things about them that weren't true, changing your own story...
And I never threatened you...now you're threatening me?
Be gone...
Are there any objective facts in your world? Any?
Malik's numbers (which I realize mean nothing to you) with the Spurs through 2001-02 were right in line with most of those bigger guys. That's the point, though; it has little to do with his physical size and everything to do with his production.
I have no recollection about any hue and cry over Malik's contract in 2002. My recollection is that Spurs fans were gravely concerned that Malik would end up with the Lakers, and found that his contract was a great deal, all things considered. I guess absent going back to find those posts, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
The market is dictated by supply and demand. There were no other Malik Rose types on the market in the summer of 2002 and that one Malik Rose was in demand by two teams that were in direct compe ion for a single asset -- the le. That's precisely why the decision was financially-responsible.
You mean like offering opinions without any objective support, dissing anyone who offers objective support for a contrary opinion, and then threatening physical violence against someone who calls you on that?
No that couldn't possibly be what you meant, right?
no i was called names and responded with comments like stupid - idiotic idiot etc. - you came out swearing and stfu etc. - and i didnt threaten you - I just want to see if you are man enough to say that to me -and make me stfu as you requested.
o Kettle?no - not at all. But I don't appreciate people calling me names - especially foul language and most message boards don't tolerate such language. No problem though - easy to talk big on a message board
hate to tell you amigo...but that is a threat.or you could tell me where you are and when I go home to visit in two weeks I will come see you and see if you can make me STFU. how you like those apples?
One time I was going at it on a message board, saying all the bad stuff...
I know you are but what am I? Make me...Make it in your pants? Don’t spray it say it!
Then my Mom walked in & she was not too happy...
I guess if you say so. I still wouldn't have done it and I know there were several who made the same comment and like I said - that feeling grew with time. I don't have any idea who was available at the time - I would take just about all of those players on that list over Malik though. - of course as commented above it turned out okay because Nazr came here - but if that would not have happened and malik was still a spur - i dont think you would feel the same way.
opinions are generally subjective by nature - and the statistics provided are subjective - subject to situations - etc. - we are talking about performance and performance is generally subjective - not onjective. i might hink ed norton is the greatest actor today but someone else will say that denzel is and might quote me box office numbers or something of that nature but that doesnt mean denzel is the better actor - there are too many variables.
I didnt threaten physical violence to anyone - I said I would like to give you the opportunity.
how are you pot --
a threat of what ? a threat that I will come and see if he can make me STFU? There is no threat - no implication of any violence.
you are the one talking big on a message board, then accusing others of the same...don't blame me for your misdeeds.how are you pot --
Had you held your arguments to that, then there would not have been a problem. But you belittled anyone who disagreed with you...and you picked the fights, not the other way around.
And don't mince words and hide behind your "top 10% in law school" mantle. It was a threat. Yeah, I freely admit I used a vulgarism. You were being a complete jerk (better??) to anyone and everyone and frankly you deserved a dressing down. But I never stooped low enough to threaten you.
I didnt talk big about anything.
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