The next time Jerome James works hard and plays hard for an extended stretch will be the first time he works hard and plays hard for an extended stretch. Malik Rose's contract was a by-product of the fact that other teams -- particularly the LA Lakers -- were seeking his services as a free agent. They sought those services because Malik worked hard and played hard.
You know, if the issue was acquiring Kobe Bryant and getting rid of Bruce Bowen this would be a fantastic point. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that (other than moral objections) you'd be getting far less static if you had begun with the idea of acquiring Kobe. That would, indeed, be a no brainer, since Kobe is both a talented scorer and a capable defender.
actually the kobe comment comes from earlier when people were saying he couldnt play defense when i stated he plays better defense than bowen - so i just threw that in there. - I would still take ray over Bruce anyday. As I stated - some people have him rated as high as the #3 shooting guard behind Kobe and Dwade.
Yeah, I said he was an underachiever until his contract year. He was an all-star 5 times in his nine year career, and TWICE an all-NBAer in his 9 year career. But so what? He can STILL underachieve with all of that. Heard of Vince Carter? Some people are just blessed with a lot of talent, and they do not use it until contract years. Guess which year was Ray Allen's best year. It was last year, also known as contract year.
Watch the tape kid, they have to leave SOMEBODY open. You failure to address the fact that Bowen was and will continue to be a 3 pt threat continues to amaze me.
What about the salary part, have you got that figured out yet? And what about Isiah Thomas, tell me how he drafted Vince Carter and TMac, what other unique opinions did you have again? Oh yeah, Bowen not making the All D 1st team in consecutive years. How has that opinion turned out, Mr. Basketball Genius.
Still can't get the facts straight? This is your post:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=153
and this is my reply:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=171
I didn't check word by work, but both word count came up to 497 words.
Which part did I leave out. If you want to go on and insult people
Get your stuff straight. You are an embarrassment. I mean, have you got ANY of your opinions right? What is the problem this time again? Your opinion is that I took it out even though I have the post in black and white, archived and stuff?
Here's a hint, if you want to stop looking like an idiot, read up on the post before you put up stuff accusing people of being a liar.
Alright, I will give you McGrady, but Vince Carter was NOT drafted by Thomas. he drafted Damon, Camby and McGrady. And what a bang up job he did, McGrady and Damon left, Camby was traded for Oakley. To add to that McGrady didn't even blossom until he LEFT Toronto. What a bang up job he did.
And I have no idea what you were talking about for the Pacers. You are basically saying that Bird led them to the finals as a coach, have Thomas come in, screw up everything, then Bird came in and brought Carlisle to the bench. Guess what, the Pacers went 61-21, and went to the ECF instead of being outsed in the 1st round, isn't that enough proof that Thomas is a bad coach, or at the very least, not close to as good as Bird and Carlisle. Let me see what the common bond between Bird and Carlisle is in their playing ability..... NONE, so your assertion that good players make good basketball mind is just plain wrong.
nice post edit - good job. way to fix it - I was wondering what took you so long to respond. perhaps the gorilla icon is more indicative of your nature and personality than I first imagined. which opinion did I get wrong - the one about isaiah being employed by the raptors when they got mcgrady in 97 ? the one about rick carlisle not being able to lead that same pacers team back to the finals ? the one about ray allen being a better player than bruce bowen ? If you want to stop sounding like a hostile vagrant and stupid - ease your tension - drink some tea or something.
you will give me Mcgrady ? how generous of you. Mcgrady and Camby left and so did Damon and that is Isaiah's fault ? he wasnt even there menso.
so because the pacers got beat in the first round that means that isaiah is a bad coach ? okay. well whatever. I still hold that in order to play basketball at that level you understand basketball. I wont even address the rest of the pacers deal because you made such a mess of that with your twisted logic. - go edit some more of your posts.
I'll tell you that Kobe can't play defense as well as you perceive. What he excels at is playing the passing lanes to look for the steal so he can smile big for the posterization dunk. People see that and think good defender.
I call it opportunistic defense. When it comes to lockdown, I'll call him above average. That means to me, that he isn't anything spectacular when it comes to defense. He has his moments but they are played over & over on ESPN making it bigger than it really is. His reputation is overblown because of the starmaking abilites of Entertainment Sports Progaramming Network
Like when he stopped Michael Redd in those Bucks victories. Perhaps he should've focused on Desmond Mason who was going off for 40 those same nights.
I've yet to see him regulary stop anyone who could match or exceed his quickness. I've seen lots of video in which he is the foil. The one I provided was great because in it, he matches up with Manu. He sets his stance and his shorts. Manu takes 1 step to the right, cross-over and he blows by Kobe and around Shaq. Phil calls the time-out and then es out Kobe for his CRAPPY DEFENSE. And Kobe has to sit there and take it because he knew he got burnt like toast.
Last year every Laker fan I knew talked about how ty he played defensively, even his most staunch defenders said so.
Truth be told, Kobe has never finished Top 2 in DPOY standings despite his multiple placements on the D team.
So no, I don't agree with your perception. Oh and about rotations. While I agree with the fact that it would Bruce's man that would leave to go double Tim, I also know that Pop spaces out the floor as such to make that harder than you make it seem. So if Bruce only takes 229 3point attemps from the arc, just the fact that he takes the shot makes a defender think before he has to go to make the double-team and for Tim, that second is all he needs to surgically gut the opponent.
It ain't rocket science. It's smart use of the floor dimensions and good ball-movement. Pop has even added the wrinkle for Bruce to close out to the rim instead of just sitting for the 3.
Ray would be fine here but not at his ALL-NBA price. This is SA, not LA or NY and the Spurs are known for their fiscal responsibility. Getting Ray Allen is not fiscally responsible despite his talent.
of a shooter yes, okay defender? yes. Worth it to Peter Holt to go over the luxury tax limit? That would be a solid no.
Last edited by Man In Black; 10-12-2005 at 06:31 PM.
malik rose was a fiscally responsible decision ?
Far be it for me to explain the cap to a genuis who can both ball at the D-League level or better and graduated in the top 10% of his law class but hey,okay.
For those 2 years that he was signed away from the Lakers, his contract wasn't that bad. Besides, signing him to that contract made it possible to acquire Nazr and still have cash left over for various other fiscal decisions. Why people always look at the total number is beyond me. The whole contract is spaced out over time. Now if RC couldn't find another GM to dance with, then maybe Malik's contract is too excessive. People might think the same for Rasho but like I said, it's over time that it's applied. It starts low and then the number rises against the cap.
To me, it was worth it to sign Malik for what he gave and to keep him away from Los Angeles. To me, it was worth it to sign Rasho over suckmyWokandi. To me, suckmyWokandi & Jerome James are in the same class of garbage center who only up their play in a contract year.
Fiscally responsible allows this team to compete despite being in the next-to-smallest designated Media Area. Yeah the Spurs know the cap and that, plus discipline, plus solid role players playing in conjunction with 1st rate starters = potential dynasty.
Man, you are hopeless, I edited the post? Where's the prove? I would imagine there would be something in the lines of "edited post" in the post, if it was edited. When you got something wrong, and kept calling people stupid/irrelevant/a liar, have the facts to back it up. Hurling insults at people after being continuously wrong only reflects poorly on yourself. BTW, do you have anything constructive to say, because I can only wax you so many times before feeling bored.
So you are changing your original stance? A better player = a better basketball mind, that has been your assertion. I am sure Isiah Thomas can wipe the floor with Rick Carlisle, tell me how he has been a better basketball mind.
And please don't go on and say I edited my post with no proof, the post has been left the way it was all along, it is classless and ignorant of you to question my integrity when you were the one who has continuously got facts wrong. And I am telling you that I always quote whole posts, I never take out stuff from the original. If you want to say that I edit the post, prove it.
Thomas has everything to do with McGrady and Damon leaving. Just read up on Butch Carter, and you will see what I mean.
BTW, nice of you to say that I was wrong in stating that Bruce Bowen made the All D 1st team twice, and when I was proven right, just ignored the post.
What did I do to it then? Did I edit your post as well?
Last edited by ambchang; 10-12-2005 at 07:59 PM.
They don't teach capology in law school.
And that's precisely the point. Malik got the contract he did based on the market in which he became a free agent. That market had the Spurs bidding against their most immediate rival, the Lakers, for his services. And it had Malik being about the best role-playing big guy on that market. The salary he commanded was a a salary that was substantial enough to keep him away from LA. In that sense, the Malik signing was fiscally responsible, and Malik paid the Spurs back by playing a key role in the 2003 le run.
Precisely. The brilliance of Spurs management has been the ability to maintain great flexibility against the cap, which has allowed the franchise to go out and fill needs. That style dictates that the front office only fill true needs; not go out an fulfill every want without regard to how a particular player will fit into the Spurs' makeup and style of play. It works.
You also have a private email to me on Isiah being a part owner Executive VP with the Raptors. He was the man in charge of drafting people. For which he drafted Damon Stoudamire (not bad), an oft-injured Marcus Camby and a TMac who never did anything for Toronto (left because of the bad blood between him and Butch Carter). So with the 7th, 2nd and 9th pick, the Raptors basically got nothing in return.
BTW, for edited post, there is a message at the bottom that indicates it was edited at a certain time. See post 210 in this thread. Now go look at post 171 and you can see that the message had the note:
Last edited by ambchang : Yesterday at 07:20 PM.
Whoops, guess I didn't edit it today. All I did was changed grammatical error.
So, what have I done this time? Hacked the site and changed the date stamp?
So I 44...
Was it fiscally responsible or not?
Gee...not only is he a self-centered piece of work...he lies too.
Oh wait...he's a lawyer...
Nevermind...
(sorry, FWDT...you're OK...)
I don't need you to explain the cap to me - especially with the new CBA and since you probably don't even comprehend it. The thing about the league now is most times are going to be aware of the salary cap and avoid the luxury tax with a few exceptions so the ability to move players with inflated contract will be difficult except for maybe in the last year of that contract.
Dude you know you edited your post to include the last part of my comment - but whatever. - How is rick carlisle a better basketball mind ? 0 I got my facts wrong - isaiah didnt draft mcgrady - carter replaced thomas ? you said those things. Mcgrady left after Isaiah did ??
I looked on the Official site of the NBA and they have him as first team once - and I already replied to that comment and said I will take your word for it - again - you get your facts right.
All of those people he drafted are good players - even today they are good players. The Spurs would love Marcus Camby to play in the middle with TD - again my opinion - but he blocks shots and rebounds - if he could only stay healthy for a whole season. Again how is it Isaiahs fault that these players left ?
who Malik Rose ? - no I would not call that fiscally responsible.
I dont lieGee...not only is he a self-centered piece of work...he lies too.
Oh wait...he's a lawyer...
Nevermind...
(sorry, FWDT...you're OK...)
Excuse me, you accused someone of editing their post to change their argument.
I'd say it's time for you to STFU.
trading him was.who Malik Rose ? - no I would not call that fiscally responsible.
of course it was. signing him wasn't and he wasn't worth the money.
no i accused him of editing his post where he quoted me and feel free to come make me STFU
This is great. How many lawyers do we have in this thread? Three? Somehow I'd expect more ipso facti obscuris and Zo v. Wade.
Now if I can just find me some chain and an ocean . . .
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