OT: The Biggest Positive of a Trump Presidency.

[Silver&Black]

[Roxsfan]

Not really funny bro..

Trump doesnt believe half of what he says, but his presidency is validation that Racism is ok in the United States..

my TheGreatYacht and even Splits are both Welcome in Canada

Because a disgraceful, lying criminal who destroyed evidence under subpoena , perjured herself, exposed classified information, compromised national security, established a pay to play sell out of the State Dept, received millions into her personal accounts from rogue nations that kill women, defended a child rapist of a little girl then laughed when he went free- that is what we should have gone with?

The people have spoken and sent a big You to the establishment. Maybe if Hillary led a more honest life- she may have made history.

The corrupt media, DOJ/FBI, biased pollsters, Obama all could not yield a victory for the Criminal-Clinton. Like husband- like wife. She and her campaign called the Latinos "taco vote". They went after every group and fired off the deplorable comments and Trump is racist? Right.

The people protesting have no jobs, family and live in mommy's basement smoking weed and can't cope when they don't get a favorable result.

[Roxsfan]

deport those immigrants taking jobs americans dont want to do?...lol

Ener legally or gtfo- especially the ones with criminal records. Try entering Mexico illegally and see how that works out for u.

[Roxsfan]

Read Rothbard's deconstruction of Reaganomics. Trump is 2.0 in this regard. St. Ronnie is only "beloved" because the USSR fell on his watch, but his economic policies were total (tax cuts +





spend like a madman).

Obama doubled natl debt in 8 yrs. more than all other presidents combined.

[spurraider21]

You wouldn't know Venezuela from Venetia since you're a non-passport holding got.

I, on the other hand, speak 4 languages and can move to the safest, most prosperous places in the world at will while carrying my $200k salary wherever I want to go.

what u speak outside of english and arabic tbh?

[daslicer]

Doubt Trump will actually deport the 11 million illegals that are in this country. Illegal immigrants are cheap labor that nobody wants to get rid of including the republican elite. Also to deport all these illegals it will cost trillions.

[Splits]

what u speak outside of english and arabic tbh?

Mr. (failed) Prosecutor, I speak German, French, and Spanish, if you must know. Now, please go yourself with your other misinformation.

[midnightpulp]

Obama doubled natl debt in 8 yrs. more than all other presidents combined.

No.



He tacked on about 2.4 trillion to Bush's near 5 trillion marker he ran up while in office.

St. Ronnie ran up about 1.6 trillion in debt, when adjusted for inflation, is 3.27 trillion in today's dollars, the largest increase (percentage wise) from a prior US president in the past few decades.



No honest fiscal conservative likes trickle-down/Reaganomics.

[Clipper Nation]

I see liberals have moved on to their next stage of denial. First it was "he won't actually run," then it was "he won't actually win the nomination," then it was "he won't actually win the election," and now it's "he won't actually keep his promises." Will you guys ever get tired of being wrong? At least give the man a chance to move into the White House and get to work before you start declaring what he can't get done.

[TDMVPDPOY]

deportin 11m cholos....how much of a strain are they on welfare compared to other ethnic minorities?

[Chucho]

No.



He tacked on about 2.4 trillion to Bush's near 5 trillion marker he ran up while in office.

St. Ronnie ran up about 1.6 trillion in debt, when adjusted for inflation, is 3.27 trillion in today's dollars, the largest increase (percentage wise) from a prior US president in the past few decades.



No honest fiscal conservative likes trickle-down/Reaganomics.

1.Get a chart that isnt two years old, when you would have been correct. But, two years later, what people would refer to as "right now", the debt is 19 trillion. You are very, very wrong, unless we are in January 2015. LOLZY. Sour grapes. And wrong...again.

[RGMCSE]

I see liberals have moved on to their next stage of denial. First it was "he won't actually run," then it was "he won't actually win the nomination," then it was "he won't actually win the election," and now it's "he won't actually keep his promises." Will you guys ever get tired of being wrong? At least give the man a chance to move into the White House and get to work before you start declaring what he can't get done.

Hes gotta evict the current tenant first tbh.

[Roxsfan]

No.



He tacked on about 2.4 trillion to Bush's near 5 trillion marker he ran up while in office.

St. Ronnie ran up about 1.6 trillion in debt, when adjusted for inflation, is 3.27 trillion in today's dollars, the largest increase (percentage wise) from a prior US president in the past few decades.



No honest fiscal conservative likes trickle-down/Reaganomics.

On Jan. 20, 2009, when Obama took office, the gross federal debt was $10.63 trillion. As of Aug. 3, 2016, it is $19.4 trillion. No Bueno.

[RGMCSE]

On Jan. 20, 2009, when Obama took office, the gross federal debt was $10.63 trillion. As of Aug. 3, 2016, it is $19.4 trillion. No Bueno.

Dont bring facts in here. All republicans are racists. It's revenge. We wanted blood. We don't believe in women in power. Don't pay attention the higher debt, jobless rates, crime, insurance rates, 13 million more Americans on food stamps or higher drop out rates especially among African Americans. Let's not pay attention to that. We wanted revenge, it's a whitelash. Meanwhile I'm not white and many other races and women finally came together to end the establishment.

[midnightpulp]

On Jan. 20, 2009, when Obama took office, the gross federal debt was $10.63 trillion. As of Aug. 3, 2016, it is $19.4 trillion. No Bueno.

Running trade deficits aren't the same thing as spending. Only government spending is considered in the graph. In the current economy, we'll always likely run a trade deficit because we import more than export, and this isn't necessarily a bad thing. People need to stop looking at government like it's household or credit card debt.

One big part of the well-financed campaign for economic austerity is the contention that the public debt is like a national credit card. If we keep charging on it, the argument goes, we’ll get overwhelmed with interest costs, suffer a reduced standard of living and, pretty soon, go bankrupt.

Most important, this credit-card metaphor is a totally false analogy because, unlike a consumer on a spending spree who later has to pay the piper, government’s borrowing strategy directly affects economic growth. When deficit spending helps increase growth, that, in turn, makes the debt less burdensome. The Federal Reserve also has the power to buy public debt ‑ a prerogative not available to consumers.

That’s where government borrowing comes in. Unlike private credit-card debt, public borrowing can improve a depressed economy’s performance.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debat...dit-card-debt/

Naturally the debt was going to increase under Obama because he needed to spend to spur growth and get us out of the recession. FDR did the same exact thing. Trump has also proposed something similar. He wants to double Clinton's planned 250 billion dollar infrastructure budget and build, his words, "infrastructure that is second to none in the world." I'm in favor of that. Where St. Ronnie and Bush II came under fire is because the majority of their spending was on foreign policy pissing contests and wars that don't benefit us domestically nor long term like an infrastructure overhaul would (new/revamped infrastructure would create more domestic jobs to build and maintain said infrastructure). Trump has also vowed to increase military spending while keeping his tax cuts intact, which would only serve the special interests of the Military Industrial Complex. I'm explicitly against that, and I think well meaning libertarians like Clipper Nation would be, too.

Also, don't reflexively think I support Obama's overall spending practices because I criticized Trump. Obama isn't too dissimilar, but he's more FDR where Trump's is more Reagan.

[spurraider21]

I see liberals have moved on to their next stage of denial. First it was "he won't actually run," then it was "he won't actually win the nomination," then it was "he won't actually win the election," and now it's "he won't actually keep his promises." Will you guys ever get tired of being wrong? At least give the man a chance to move into the White House and get to work before you start declaring what he can't get done.

i hope he does well. i just have my doubts. otherwise i woulda just voted for him

[poeticism707]

Indeed. His economic policies are horrifying. Reaganomics on steroids.

This.

[poeticism707]

Running trade deficits aren't the same thing as spending. Only government spending is considered in the graph. In the current economy, we'll always likely run a trade deficit because we import more than export, and this isn't necessarily a bad thing. People need to stop looking at government like it's household or credit card debt.



http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debat...dit-card-debt/

Naturally the debt was going to increase under Obama because he needed to spend to spur growth and get us out of the recession. FDR did the same exact thing. Trump has also proposed something similar. He wants to double Clinton's planned 250 billion dollar infrastructure budget and build, his words, "infrastructure that is second to none in the world." I'm in favor of that. Where St. Ronnie and Bush II came under fire is because the majority of their spending was on foreign policy pissing contests and wars that don't benefit us domestically nor long term like an infrastructure overhaul would (new/revamped infrastructure would create more domestic jobs to build and maintain said infrastructure). Trump has also vowed to increase military spending while keeping his tax cuts intact, which would only serve the special interests of the Military Industrial Complex. I'm explicitly against that, and I think well meaning libertarians like Clipper Nation would be, too.

Also, don't reflexively think I support Obama's overall spending practices because I criticized Trump. Obama isn't too dissimilar, but he's more FDR where Trump's is more Reagan.

Nicely done.

[ambchang]

Obama doubled natl debt in 8 yrs. more than all other presidents combined.

The day Ronald Reagan was sworn in - the national debt was 934 billion. The day he left office the debt was 2. 697 trillion. Almost TRIPLE. Bush 41 added over 80% and Bush 43 added 110%.

Not to mention that most of expenses were due to wars that were in place when he took office.

[Killakobe81]

Biggest positive is I have the right to grab em by the pussy

[baseline bum]

Biggest positive is I have the right to grab em by the pussy

Don't forget to check out sex tape.

[Warlord23]

For the guys who keep comparing increase in overall debt, you need to compare the budget deficit when they started and how it changed over their term.

Let me illustrate via an example. Let's take 2 hypothetical countries - DC and Marvel - with the same currency and identical levels of debt (25 Billion). DC has a healthy economy and is running a surplus of 1B when President Batman takes over, while Marvel is in a slump and running a deficit of 5B when President Hulk takes over. Batman is happy with his surplus and starts cutting taxes and spending heavily, while Hulk tries to recover Marvel's economy and slowly reduce the deficit. Here are the deficits that they run up ($B) over 8 years:

Batman: +1 (starting point), 0, -1, -1, -2, -2, -3, -3, -4 (end point)
Hulk: -5 (starting point), -5, -4.5, -4, -3.5, -3, -2, -2 (end point)

If you compare debt increase over 8 years, Batman is at $16B (64%), and Hulk is at $24B (96%). However, Batman inherited a surplus and turned it into a high deficit, whereas Hulk inherited a high deficit and reduced it significantly. However you could still use the catchphrase "Hulk doubled the national debt" to make him look bad.

Replace Batman with Dubya, and Hulk with Obama, and instead of absolute deficits use deficit as a % of GDP. And then you get the flawed narrative of Obama being a tax-and-spend liberal when in fact he has been more fiscally conservative than Bush or Reagan.

[midnightpulp]

For the guys who keep comparing increase in overall debt, you need to compare the budget deficit when they started and how it changed over their term.

Let me illustrate via an example. Let's take 2 hypothetical countries - DC and Marvel - with the same currency and identical levels of debt (25 Billion). DC has a healthy economy and is running a surplus of 1B when President Batman takes over, while Marvel is in a slump and running a deficit of 5B when President Hulk takes over. Batman is happy with his surplus and starts cutting taxes and spending heavily, while Hulk tries to recover Marvel's economy and slowly reduce the deficit. Here are the deficits that they run up ($B) over 8 years:

Batman: +1 (starting point), 0, -1, -1, -2, -2, -3, -3, -4 (end point)
Hulk: -5 (starting point), -5, -4.5, -4, -3.5, -3, -2, -2 (end point)

If you compare debt increase over 8 years, Batman is at $16B (64%), and Hulk is at $24B (96%). However, Batman inherited a surplus and turned it into a high deficit, whereas Hulk inherited a high deficit and reduced it significantly. However you could still use the catchphrase "Hulk doubled the national debt" to make him look bad.

Replace Batman with Dubya, and Hulk with Obama, and instead of absolute deficits use deficit as a % of GDP. And then you get the flawed narrative of Obama being a tax-and-spend liberal when in fact he has been more fiscally conservative than Bush or Reagan.

Great stuff. Explained it better than I.

Trump is also pretty left in this instance, without the "taxing," of course.

I have no clue how he's going to pay for a trillion dollar infrastructure overhaul and increased defense spending with his tax plan.

[lefty]

How the do illegal immigrants get in the U.S?

Are your borders that ty ?

[Silver&Black]

How the do illegal immigrants get in the U.S?