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    People thinking Dijon is ready to start playoff games are either disingenuous or delusional. MVParker basically spoon feeds LMAlpha, he can't get his own shot and Dijon can't feed him

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    And Murray didn't even look that good tonight tbh. The whole 7-0 when he starts thing is silly, but I know it fits what's being driven by this thread
    you call it silly? i call it a fact.

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    Murray was invisible in the first half. He got some good assists, some by penetratingin the second half. Overall he was more effective than Mills this game.

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    "Let's not fall into recency bias"

    Only bumps this thread when Parker looks bad or Murray looks good.
    Uh, Murray hardly even plays brah. He gets extended minutes for the first time in months, struggles in the first half, and suddenly he can't hold TOSB Enrique' s jock? Nah, I can't agree with that.
    And Murray didn't even look that good tonight tbh. The whole 7-0 when he starts thing is silly, but I know it fits what's being driven by this thread
    Because Enrique has been a model of consistency this season, right?

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    Just got back from the game. Murray sucked. We need Parker and we could've used some of those buyouts. Not saying Murray can't be good down the road, but he had terrible turnovers and couldn't get the team into a good offense. Kawhi and Lee bailed out the Spurs tonight.

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    I see you viewing the thread, Silver&Black. Just wanted to let you know that you are missed in game threads, brah. No .

    edit: I thought this was the game thread but i stand by the statement
    Appreciate the kind words.

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    Would be disengenuous af to pretend like missing Parker was a good thing tonight. We played terribly and were bailed out by early Pau, Kawhi and Lee.

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    Murray was invisible in the first half. He got some good assists, some by penetratingin the second half. Overall he was more effective than Mills this game.
    Mills was terrible, but at least he drew a few charges. I was scared every time Murray had the ball. I used to be that way for only Danny Green. And that Bertans turnover was shockingly horrible. Vets won this game.

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    you call it silly? i call it a fact.
    It's a fact yes. But it's not indicative of Murray being a better fit or player than Parker. Maybe thats clearer. Because that's what you try to imply isn't it?

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    I thought Murray was better with Manu. He's not good enough to be the primary ball-handler right now, so having a co-PG helped. His defensive potential was on display, but he also showed his current limitations. He's just too damned skinny to guard people who can force any type of contact. Just bounces off. But his length mean that he can switch onto PFs effectively if he manages to front them. He also didn't force his own shot, which is good but will have to be balanced as he improves.

    July will be a big month for him.

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    you call it silly? i call it a fact.
    It's a meaningless fact. Like Jordan winning les with Jack Haley on the roster. Yes it happened, but it had nothing to do with the wind. But I'll tell you when that 7-0 number flips...the playoffs. The kid couldn't run the offense, penetrated without purpose, gave the ball away, and overall looked lost. I hope he turns out, but he's not ready for meaningful games. TBH, I wish the Spurs could've picked up one of the buyout PGs bc our crop looks weak this year, Parker being the only one that is starter material.

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    i hope parker sits more games so murray can get PT. that's how he improves.

    it's important the spurs learn to play without parker because nothing suggests he'll be realiable in the playoffs.

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    i hope parker sits more games so murray can get PT. that's how he improves.

    it's important the spurs learn to play without parker because nothing suggests he'll be realiable in the playoffs.
    I don't know, man. This kid needs an offseason and another regular season. 20 games isn't enough to get him ready for the playoffs. I don't really trust Patty either. We could've used one of those other PGs that were bought out.

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    I don't know, man. This kid needs an offseason and another regular season. 20 games isn't enough to get him ready for the playoffs. I don't really trust Patty either. We could've used one of those other PGs that were bought out.
    it is late in the season. i wanted to start murray over parker since the summer.

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    Point guards with a combined 3-13 shooting performance. MVParker heal up soon

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    It's a fact yes. But it's not indicative of Murray being a better fit or player than Parker. Maybe thats clearer. Because that's what you try to imply isn't it?
    He's just manipulating stats to fit his narrative. There's no cause and effect relationship whatsoever. It's like saying the Spurs are 4-1 without Kawhi. Spurs must be better without him. Murray and Mills had absolutely nothing to do with this win.

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    July will be a big month for him.

    I'm probably just being dense. Why July? Just working on stuff?

    He's still got a kid's body, for sure. Hopefully that comes with a couple of years of age. But he has GOT to develop some other shot in addition to that floater. I know he had a 3 tonight that bounced off the JumboTron before going in, but that's not going to cut it long term. But I like the fact that he had 6 AST in 21 minutes. That's over 10 on a per-36 basis. Not too shabby on a night where he seemed less than impressive.

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    I'm probably just being dense. Why July? Just working on stuff?
    That's when he's going to get his summer-league plan. I think how he does there is going to go a pretty decent ways to determining how the team handles his rotation spot.

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    Another Parker game out, another comeback 1 point win against an Eastern Conference .500 team at home.

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    murray and mills today...

    3-13 FG, 1-7 3PT, 10 assists, 3 turnovers

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    Probably an easy win if we had Parker. Came down to the wire without him as evident by our 18 turnovers. His value to this teams' offensive execution is evident in the box line and the heavy reliance on Kawhi ISOs.

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    LMA really suffers without TP ... Patty or Murray cannot create any pick and pops for him

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    i hope parker sits more games so murray can get PT. that's how he improves.

    it's important the spurs learn to play without parker because nothing suggests he'll be realiable in the playoffs.
    It's a concern for sure.

    We can debate this and that, but it's just the truth that Tony is brittle and is bound to miss time in the playoffs. He actually needs rest through the season at his current age or he doesn't play well... whether that's bc of wear and tear, soreness or whatever, he does better when he's rested. Then, Manu shouldn't average over 20 minutes bc he just doesn't do well past that point.

    Guys just don't get the point that this duo ^^ of Tony and Manu cannot go on forever. At some point Spurs need to give playing time to a younger dude and Murray came in at the time there is that need.

    Picking up a veteran to take Murray's playing time (what little he's getting this season) doesn't accomplish anything for the Spurs long term. It's a bandaid attempting to cover an open gash of a wound.

    No idea what happens in the next couple of seasons but it doesn't look like the Spurs will be able to add guard depth through FA of veterans who are in their primes, they don't have budget for that and would need to trade real contributors at other spots for a position of need... as they have Tony in a large contract that doesn't make sense. And continuing to cover that open gash of a wound with TOSB in vet min deals is not going to get you anywhere right now. I loved Andre Miller last season, but he wasn't realistic to keep.

    They need to develop to find a solution long term and that will involve a youngster going through growing pains... again unless they trade for somebody.

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