Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline

[Chinook]

Barton is def a more diverse offensive player. They rely on him to provide penetration.

But the Spurs wouldn't. They'd rely on him for shooting. Except he's at best decent at it. Evan Turner is a "more diverse" offensive player than Green (and people on here considered moving Danny for Evan a no-brainer as late as 2014), but it's obvious why it wouldn't have made sense to switch them.

Their roles arensignificantly different too as Barton is responsible for attacking the basket specially now that Jokic is the main guy.

That doesn't make sense. Jokic being the main guy would imply Barton doesn't have the ball as much, but if that's true, then they aren't dependent on Barton's ability to create. Of course, Jokic actually has little to do with what Will's doing, as they play plenty of minutes apart. Barton's having a career year in terms of AST%, but it would actually be a down year for Patty.

If their roles are different, it's that Barton doesn't pass as often or as well as Mills does. Can't see why that's beneficial.

Mills statistically will have better percentages upclose considering all his shots within the rim are wide open. No respects him enough on the drive to committ the wing defenders

That makes no sense. If Mills is able to finish at a high rate, and no one ever guards him because they don't respect him or whatever, the opponents are stupid. You guard the players who do well against you. You don't give a good finisher open lanes.

[dabom]

The guy has 70 minutes of playoff experience in one series 3 years ago and is a SG is somehow gonna replace a pg(Patty Mills who is a champion and known commodity) ....and that's not even learning the system part yet.

[dabom]

Ya ing dumb.

[dabom]

Any more of these stupid trade scenarios ya want me to shut down involving MVPatty?

[SAGirl]

These are the latest trade rumors courtesy of Sports Illustrated:
• Magic Johnson stated his intention to “call the shots” in the Lakers front office going forward. (USA Today)
• Rival executives believe Kings owner Vivek Ranadive won’t sign off on trading DeMarcus Cousins and thinks he can keep him in Sacramento long-term. (HoopsHype)
• Sixers GM Bryan Colangelo said on the radio Thursday that the team is receiving increased interest in Jahlil Okafor and Nerlens Noel. (Newark Star-Ledger)
• Other teams think the Lakers will attempt to deal veterans including Nick Young, Lou Williams, Luol Deng and Jose Calderon before the deadline. (HoopsHype)
• The Heat have interest in dealing for free-agent-to-be Serge Ibaka of the Magic. (Miami Herald)
• Aaron Gordon’s bone bruise in his right foot could keep him out of the dunk contest at All-Star weekend. (Orlando Sentinel)
• Free agent Derrick Williams signed a 10-day contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers. (Shams Charania, The Vertical)
• Carmelo Anthony may want to stay with the Knicks, despite ongoing criticism from Knicks president Phil Jackson. (Adrian Wojnarowski, The Vertical)
• The Celtics are keeping their eye on Indiana Pacers All-Star forward Paul George. (Adrian Wojnarowski, The Vertical)

http://www.si.com/nba/2017/02/10/nba...eals-contracts

[palangi]

You guys need to remember chinook last offseason said Danny Green was irreplaceable. He was the best 3&D player in the league. I wouldn't trust chinook evaluations on players.

Now Mills is irreplaceable.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wizards need to make a move for Lou Williams, tbh..they're 1 piece away from challenging Cleveland..

Nicholson + a 1st..

[palangi]

And I doubt they do it at all bc both guys are producing when called upon .... Forbes is producing the least, but then he's the 14-15th guy and Spurs have him as a project for eventualities. It's not that they are not picking up the phone about them, but more than that nobody is calling about just one or the other unless they want to unload upon you the equivalent of Austin Daye or some other really awful player Pop would not be able to play at all. He at least still plays Anderson and they are giving time to Forbes to develop. It could be worse than those two guys frankly....

And then despite the belief that if they aren't going to reup Patty it makes sense in the long run to trade him, he's a known Pop favorite and despite the microwave malfunctioning lately, he's still playing above his contract. Teams as good as the Spurs are seldom ship out rotation players, which Mills is...

In the end I always come back to them standing pat bc no trade for edge of the rotation players is going to make an impact and the guy you get back can be significantly worse.... not even a lateral move.

And it and it's always good to see chinook lap dog parroting him like always.

[Chinook]

Wizards need to make a move for Lou Williams, tbh..they're 1 piece away from challenging Cleveland..

Nicholson + a 1st..

I actually like Lou for them a lot. Isn't Nicholson on a dubious contract, though?

[HarlemHeat37]

I actually like Lou for them a lot. Isn't Nicholson on a dubious contract, though?

Ya, just checked, little money but long deal(4 years)..I'm sure LA would take a 1st and short-term deals to make the $ work, though, Williams doesn't really make sense for their team, at the moment(he's their best player, but they already have a redundant piece in Clarkson and they aren't trying to win games)..

[mo7888]

I actually like Lou for them a lot. Isn't Nicholson on a dubious contract, though?

3 more years at $6+/yr

[Chinook]

Ya, just checked, little money but long deal(4 years)..I'm sure LA would take a 1st and short-term deals to make the $ work, though, Williams doesn't really make sense for their team, at the moment(he's their best player, but they already have a redundant piece in Clarkson and they aren't trying to win games)..

Yeah, but they could probably get a better deal than that. Nicholson is being paid to be a rotation player, and his rate stats are fine. But the dude isn't seeing the court. I'd be nervous about taking him on if I were LA, especially with the stupid long-term deals they added in the off-season. Though he has stretch-four potential.

3 more years at $6+/yr

Thanks. That contract would be great if Dedmon were on it. But it would be bad if Kyle were on it. Nicholson is pretty much getting Anderson burn if not even less. If he can't actually crack a rotation, I think that's a bad deal.

[HarlemHeat37]

Yeah, but they could probably get a better deal than that. Nicholson is being paid to be a rotation player, and his rate stats are fine. But the dude isn't seeing the court. I'd be nervous about taking him on if I were LA, especially with the stupid long-term deals they added in the off-season. Though he has stretch-four potential.



Thanks. That contract would be great if Dedmon were on it. But it would be bad if Kyle were on it. Nicholson is pretty much getting Anderson burn if not even less. If he can't actually crack a rotation, I think that's a bad deal.

Ya, I wouldn't take Nicholson, after learning that he's on a long-term deal, but I'd still take the 1st and matching salaries..

I don't know how many teams are going to be in the market for Williams, this season, considering he isn't locked up, isn't that young and fills a specific niche..Washington is the perfect match, they have the worst bench in the NBA and are in win-now mode(can't take your le chances for granted)..

Wall
Beal
Porter
Morris
Gortat

Williams
Mahinmi

That's a legit contender in the East IMO..

[Chinook]

They might be able to entice LA with Tomas Satoransky, who's a decent prospect. Burke's contract should be enough ballast.

I think they'd still need a productive eighth man to really have a chance

[palangi]

What about looking into Ben mclemore and wily cauley-stein? Both players are out of favor in Sacramento and don't get much minutes. Wily could start next to Aldridge and mclemore can come off the bench. Be a sixth man for us.

I would use use dedmon in the trade. He is probably getting a big contract. And WCS is a bigger, younger, more athletic version. Pau and Lee would be a good random off the bench. Then bring Corey Jefferson up from the toros.

WCS and Mclemore

for

mills, Dedmon, Simmons, and a second round pick

Parker, Murray, Forbes
Green, Mclemore, Manu
Leonard, Anderson
Aldridge, Lee, Bertans
WCS, Pau, Jefferson

[Spurs9]

Honestly Boston and Wizards look really good in the east. Either team isn't that far away from challanging Cleveland. The east may be more interesting than the West this year.

[TheGreatYacht]

What about looking into Ben mclemore and wily cauley-stein? Both players are out of favor in Sacramento and don't get much minutes. Wily could start next to Aldridge and mclemore can come off the bench. Be a sixth man for us.

I would use use dedmon in the trade. He is probably getting a big contract. And WCS is a bigger, younger, more athletic version. Pau and Lee would be a good random off the bench. Then bring Corey Jefferson up from the toros.

WCS and Mclemore

for

mills, Dedmon, Simmons, and a second round pick

Parker, Murray, Forbes
Green, Mclemore, Manu
Leonard, Anderson
Aldridge, Lee, Bertans
WCS, Pau, Jefferson

Dedmon = WCS
Mills + Simmons > Bustlemore
plus a second??? Naaaa

IMO tbh

[ceperez]

aaron gordon and serge ibaka for aldridge and some other scrub.

[gambit1990]

trade parker.

[TD 21]

They value Mills' shooting so much that they not only want the Spurs to give him 44-50 million, but they want to impede Murrays growth by playing him at a position where his effectiveness or ceiling is lower.

economics, lets spend 50 million at a position they don't need to spend it on. 50 million on a 15 minute role instead of utilizing that money more efficiently in other areas -- like competent GMs usually do.

More ignorant assumptions and acting as if those who don't agree with them are re ed from Mr. Agree To Disagree . . .

- Though not unrealistic, $44-50M is a figure you've made it, as is the notion that they'd either match or he'd automatically take the highest bid

- 15 mpg is flat out made up. There's no reason to think he wouldn't continue on in the exact same role, as a 20+ mpg backup, who plays significantly more in games Parker doesn't play and occasionally closes close games, even when he does play

- In this economic climate, even if the figure you presume he'll get is true, that's not an astronomical number relative to role/value and if they need the flexibility at some point, they should have no trouble moving him, a la Splitter and Diaw

- Mills has virtually nothing to do with Murray's growth. Consider Mills the offense backup to Green and the defensive backup to Parker and Murray the defense backup to Green and the offensive backup to Parker

- Murray could be in line for 20+ mpg starting next season, if he's up to the task and despite flashes, there's no guarantee of that, nor is a top 2-4 team in a position to hand a significant role to anyone

I'm not guaranteeing he'll be re-signed, but there's no precedent for the Spurs losing a player as beloved and with as much built up equity as Mills. People thought they'd have serious difficult re-signing Splitter, Diaw and Mills and thought Green was as good as gone, yet they managed to keep every one of them.

[palangi]

More ignorant assumptions and acting as if those who don't agree with them are re ed from Mr. Agree To Disagree . . .

- Though not unrealistic, $44-50M is a figure you've made it, as is the notion that they'd either match or he'd automatically take the highest bid

- 15 mpg is flat out made up. There's no reason to think he wouldn't continue on in the exact same role, as a 20+ mpg backup, who plays significantly more in games Parker doesn't play and occasionally closes close games, even when he does play

- In this economic climate, even if the figure you presume he'll get is true, that's not an astronomical number relative to role/value and if they need the flexibility at some point, they should have no trouble moving him, a la Splitter and Diaw

- Mills has virtually nothing to do with Murray's growth. Consider Mills the offense backup to Green and the defensive backup to Parker and Murray the defense backup to Green and the offensive backup to Parker

- Murray could be in line for 20+ mpg starting next season, if he's up to the task and despite flashes, there's no guarantee of that, nor is a top 2-4 team in a position to hand a significant role to anyone

I'm not guaranteeing he'll be re-signed, but there's no precedent for the Spurs losing a player as beloved and with as much built up equity as Mills. People thought they'd have serious difficult re-signing Splitter, Diaw and Mills and thought Green was as good as gone, yet they managed to keep every one of them.

So much fail. ..

[Ice009]

These are the latest trade rumors courtesy of Sports Illustrated:
• Magic Johnson stated his intention to “call the shots” in the Lakers front office going forward. (USA Today)
• Rival executives believe Kings owner Vivek Ranadive won’t sign off on trading DeMarcus Cousins and thinks he can keep him in Sacramento long-term. (HoopsHype)
• Sixers GM Bryan Colangelo said on the radio Thursday that the team is receiving increased interest in Jahlil Okafor and Nerlens Noel. (Newark Star-Ledger)
• Other teams think the Lakers will attempt to deal veterans including Nick Young, Lou Williams, Luol Deng and Jose Calderon before the deadline. (HoopsHype)
• The Heat have interest in dealing for free-agent-to-be Serge Ibaka of the Magic. (Miami Herald)
• Aaron Gordon’s bone bruise in his right foot could keep him out of the dunk contest at All-Star weekend. (Orlando Sentinel)
• Free agent Derrick Williams signed a 10-day contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers. (Shams Charania, The Vertical)
• Carmelo Anthony may want to stay with the Knicks, despite ongoing criticism from Knicks president Phil Jackson. (Adrian Wojnarowski, The Vertical)
• The Celtics are keeping their eye on Indiana Pacers All-Star forward Paul George. (Adrian Wojnarowski, The Vertical)

http://www.si.com/nba/2017/02/10/nba...eals-contracts

Does Paul George want out? I thought they've starting winning and have been playing better lately? And how did Cleveland sign Derrick Williams? I thought he played for the Heat?

Wizards need to make a move for Lou Williams, tbh..they're 1 piece away from challenging Cleveland..

Nicholson + a 1st..

They've been winning a lot of games. I haven't watched any of them, but I didn't realize they've playing that well. Is Scott Brooks a legit coach?

[HarlemHeat37]

Does Paul George want out? I thought they've starting winning and have been playing better lately? And how did Cleveland sign Derrick Williams? I thought he played for the Heat?



They've been winning a lot of games. I haven't watched any of them, but I didn't realize they've playing that well. Is Scott Brooks a legit coach?

The difference in coaching is that players love Scott Brooks(OKC's players loved him, too) and hated Whittman, according to people close to the Wizards..

Biggest difference is Beal staying healthy, Wall getting in shape and Porter becoming the best role player in the league, though..

[Ice009]

The difference in coaching is that players love Scott Brooks(OKC's players loved him, too) and hated Whittman, according to people close to the Wizards..

Biggest difference is Beal staying healthy, Wall getting in shape and Porter becoming the best role player in the league, though..

What's your opinion on Brooks as a coach, though? Do you still find him average. Most people used to say that the reason OKC never could get over the hump was because of Brooks' coaching.

[palangi]

Dedmon = WCS
Mills + Simmons > Bustlemore
plus a second??? Naaaa

IMO tbh

WCS is going to be cheaper. Under more control. And is better than Dedmon, and I'm a Dedmon fan.
mclemore again is younger and could flourish in an actual system. Moving Mills allows Murray to take over the second unit. And Forbes can develop into a bigger Mills clone.
and the second is giving up to get.