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hmmmmmmm
We can't rebound or defend the paint and none of our guards can penetrate.
To be completely honest, we're in trouble and I don't know that there is anything we can do about it.
Do teams still want Aldridge after he has been exposed with us? The guy is almost completely ineffective at doing ANYTHING when his jumper isn't falling, and his jumpshot isn't falling often.
How do we un ourselves?
hmmmmmmm
Man i just got done watching the 2013-14 spurs championship video and I really wish this team would just focus on moving the ball around. Once Aldridge came the ball movement stopped, we still moved the ball in 2014-15 but the injuries killed us that year.
Then we got Aldridge and we became an isolation team again, slowing things down. In order for us to have a remote chance, Danny Green has to light it up for the offensive unit. He was always a difference maker, when he's on we win. But I believe that he feeds off of the ball movement.
But i guess the question is, do we even have the personnel to be able to keep the ball moving. Or is Pop even trying to make them keep the ball moving.
And as far as defense goes, I think we need to Dedmond to play more with Kawhi. Kawhi always benefited from having a good defensive presence in the paint. So now we go from Duncan to Gasol, big dropoff. But Dedmond has provided some nice defensive moments and I think would be a better fit with Kawhi on the defensive end.
But we all knew that this was going to be a transition year. So though the team is still finding itself, its nice they at least have a good record. But we all know that it could change right away in a matter of weeks.
More crying and moving of the goal posts. You're pathetic.
Aldridge doesn't have the ball as much as Leonard and is a big. More often than not, the creative burden falls more on the perimeter star.
By acknowledging that Leonard doesn't have that skill, I'm not blaming him for it. What I'm saying is, a team's ceiling is limited if the player who has the ball most (in this case, it's the top 2), has limited vision.
The offensive aesthetics began to decline in '14-'15. That it continued last season was partially because of Aldridge, but also because of Leonard's further emergence and the further decline of the big 3.
"Moving the ball" is too basic a term, because it makes it sound like it's random passing, which anyone can do. The '12-'14 Spurs had the best combination I've ever seen of high IQ, unselfishness and continuity. Also, though some were post prime, they were all still high level players. That's why the offense looked like it did and it can't be duplicated.
Becoming an isolation team wasn't planned, it just happened because that's who their two best players are and because this team lacks the qualities I mentioned of that team.
Last edited by TD 21; 12-10-2016 at 06:00 PM.
TD 21 going in raw.
100% agree to everything.
THIS coming from you...So funny.
Really? You're blaming Kawhi for everything.I'm not blaming him for it.
It just happened organically and specifically because Leonard has decided to take on an even bigger role.What in the did you expect after the Spurs signed another scoring bigman like Pau who used to get his shots in almost the same LMA's spots?Aldridge doesn't have the ball as much as Leonard and is a big. More often than not, the creative burden falls more on the perimeter star.
Did you think that LMA would get the same number of FGAs? When he would share his spots with Pau...? For real TD21?
This play at the top of the key was for Parker/LMA P&Rs/P&Pops last season, now it's for Gasol, too.
Also, not only with Parker as ball-handler.
Since Tim wasn't taking that shot last season, every one of those plays were for LMA. But with Pau's presence, they changed it.
Yeah.Keep blaming Kawhi because he's making the next leap in his career...Also, keep ignoring that Pop/RC brought a guy who would annulate LMA's offense for long stretches in the game.
Last edited by YGWHI; 12-11-2016 at 04:09 AM.
This thread is re ed, this team is miles better than any we put together from 2008 to 2011, yet, in those years, we never lost our cool, we didn't blow it up and with some changes we found the way to trully contend again. You don't rebuild if you are a top 3/4 team in the league. TD 21 is having a more difficult time with Duncan's retirement than anyone else, tbh.
Last edited by DAF86; 12-10-2016 at 11:33 PM.
Well, if you agree with him about this...You're wrong. That wasn't "just happened" like he said.
Big 3 decline was something expected. After 2014 WCF, Pop and RC knew that Parker would deal with injuries more often than not, they knew that Manu wouldn't get younger, they knew what they brought with LMA and Pau.
They made decisions, they could make others but they decided to build the team in this way.
Last edited by YGWHI; 12-10-2016 at 11:33 PM.
I think so. It probably stems from lack of belief that Kawhi can carry the team.
To be fair the team has holes with a good part of the playmaking left to two very aged guards... that is still a hole.. and it will be noticeable against elite teams... but that is not on Kawhi... nor is it on Kawhi that Pop chose to add in the offseason a talent that makes Lamarcus somewhat redundant and repe ive... as YGWHI showed above how Lamarcus has given up spots to Pau often.
OP.
There's not a single recipe for winning a championship, tbh... the Spurs are unlikely to play like in '12-'14 because that team needed to play that way in order to win... the roster dictated that. This roster would need to win in a similar way the Cavs won last year, with defensive discipline when the time comes and your best players (Kawhi and LMA, just like Lebron and Kyrie for the Cavs) outplaying the compe ion,sometimes by a country mile.
This team is built to depend a lot less in peripheral and smaller role players, and a much bigger bet on squeezing the best out of your top talent. I understand people feeling nervous about that, especially when it comes to LMA (at least Kawhi has gone all the way and been there before, knows what it takes, but can't do it alone). But that's how this team was built. Hopefully we catch a few breaks here or there, the general team cohesion improves, and we get a shot at it.
Is the team now undone?
Spurs fans are fat, spoiled, and re ed. This thread is proof.
I thinkit still hurts tbh...
TD 21 has narrowed EVERYTHING to Kawobe not being a point-forward like LeBron.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 12-11-2016 at 12:15 PM.
Good stuff.
Exactly, this place never changes. LMAONever change Spurs Talk
Even if they dump everyone not named Leonard, they are guaranteed absolutely nothing. The Bulls, Rockets, Jazz and Knicks haven't reached anywhere near the success of their "glory years" of the 1990's after multiple "rebuilding" efforts.
Gotta ride with Tony/Manu for one last season and then re-adjust this offseaaon. Manu will retire and Tony (barring a miracle) will possibly be moved.
They have intriguing prospects in Murray, Bertans and Milutinov. The sky is always falling in the place, but obviously the team was going to regress when the best player ever (in franchise history) just retired.
Pretty much and a good 1 sentence summary.TD 21 has narrowed EVERYTHING to Kawobe not being a point-forward like LeBron.
They'll always have a chance to win a ship, just as long as Tumor Head doesn't get playing time.
Critiquing something and having an original opinion is not crying and whining. What you do is beyond pathetic, it's flat out disgraceful.
I expected more balance between Leonard and Aldridge, like the 2nd half of last season. More Aldridge posts ups and catch and shoot plays, off of pin downs, cross screens, etc. That's what would give them their best chance to reach their ceiling. If they're not going to properly utilize Aldridge, then why the did they sign him?
TD 21 has narrowed EVERYTHING to Kawobe not being a point-forward like LeBron.
You need a go to play maker to win a championship, there's no way around it.
Who's talking about '08-'11? And the difference then was, the big three were still high level players, genius. They just needed a better, younger supporting cast. This team needs a piece that is impossible to attain and doesn't have the chemistry or continuity of the big three era. This has nothing to do with Duncan retiring.
It's funny, you people complain about everyone save for Leonard, Mills and maybe Dedmon, then claim that the team is still contenders. You can't have it both ways.
If you think it's worth keeping together, that's cool, but stop the incessant crying and whining. Unbeknownst to you, it is possible to do both (see ElNono).
Yeah, I don't think Tony will be moved. You make it sound almost certain.
Well, now Leonard is a high level player. We don't need a major rebuilt, we need to make some minor changes and this team could improve a lot.Critiquing something and having an original opinion is not crying and whining. What you do is beyond pathetic, it's flat out disgraceful.
I expected more balance between Leonard and Aldridge, like the 2nd half of last season. More Aldridge posts ups and catch and shoot plays, off of pin downs, cross screens, etc. That's what would give them their best chance to reach their ceiling. If they're not going to properly utilize Aldridge, then why the did they sign him?
You need a go to play maker to win a championship, there's no way around it.
Who's talking about '08-'11? And the difference then was, the big three were still high level players, genius. They just needed a better, younger supporting cast. This team needs a piece that is impossible to attain and doesn't have the chemistry or continuity of the big three era. This has nothing to do with Duncan retiring.
It's funny, you people complain about everyone save for Leonard, Mills and maybe Dedmon, then claim that the team is still contenders. You can't have it both ways.
If you think it's worth keeping together, that's cool, but stop the incessant crying and whining. Unbeknownst to you, it is possible to do both (see ElNono).
You sound like this team was middle of the pack when they are a 60+ wons team.
Leonard is one player, not three.Well, now Leonard is a high level player. We don't need a major rebuilt, we need to make some minor changes and this team could improve a lot.
You sound like this team was middle of the pack when they are a 60+ wons team.
Describing a go to play maker on a championship team as "minor".
You're deluding yourself over regular season wins against inferior opponents.
I generally agree with not breaking up a top 4 team, but that's only if you have at least a puncher's chance at a championship. I no longer believe they do, so they're better off re-loading (it wouldn't be a re-build; they have a bunch of players who could return something substantial), rather than pretending and increasing the risk of wasting Leonard's entire prime.
"O no, We need a Magic-type player, not a Jordan-killer-type player."
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