This Team Is Done

[DAF86]

Leonard is one player, not three.

Describing a go to play maker on a championship team as "minor".

You're deluding yourself over regular season wins against inferior opponents.

I generally agree with not breaking up a top 4 team, but that's only if you have at least a puncher's chance at a championship. I no longer believe they do, so they're better off re-loading (it wouldn't be a re-build; they have a bunch of players who could return something substantial), rather than pretending and increasing the risk of wasting Leonard's entire prime.

Spurs could be one injury away from any of 5 GS players to have more than a "puncher's chance" at the championship this season, tbh.

Spurs need to switch Parker for a young dynamic PG that can get to the rim and insert Dedmon for Pau into the starting lineup and they are good to go. Probably not enough to get past GS this year or the next one, but maybe the year after that, or the following one. All I know is that building over what is already established will get us to the promise land a lot sooner than blowing it all up.

[TD 21]

Spurs could be one injury away from any of 5 GS players to have more than a "puncher's chance" at the championship this season, tbh.

Spurs need to switch Parker for a young dynamic PG that can get to the rim and insert Dedmon for Pau into the starting lineup and they are good to go. Probably not enough to get past GS this year or the next one, but maybe the year after that, or the following one. All I know is that building over what is already established will get us to the promise land a lot sooner than blowing it all up.

I think it would probably take 2 of the 4, but I don't even think they get to them, if the Clippers avoid their own significant injury.

"Young dynamic PG", exactly, but suffice it to say, that's easier said than done. They don't really have a path to getting that, at least not without trading Aldridge. Even if it could be added independent of that, the chemistry and continuity is suspect and when you already have inferior star power to the other elites, you can't compound it with that.

[DAF86]

I think it would probably take 2 of the 4, but I don't even think they get to them, if the Clippers avoid their own significant injury.

"Young dynamic PG", exactly, but suffice it to say, that's easier said than done. They don't really have a path to getting that, at least not without trading Aldridge. Even if it could be added independent of that, the chemistry and continuity is suspect and when you already have inferior star power to the other elites, you can't compound it with that.

Young dynamic PG's are probably the easiest type of player to get, tbh (talking about all-star, or near, level players of course). We already have the most important and difficult asset to get: a young SF stud that's elite in both sides. We just need to surround him better, but at the same time we need to keep him with us, and going full rebuilt mode isn't going to accomplish that.

[TD 21]

Young dynamic PG's are probably the easiest type of player to get, tbh (talking about all-star, or near, level players of course). We already have the most important and difficult asset to get: a young SF stud that's elite in both sides. We just need to surround him better, but at the same time we need to keep him with us, and going full rebuilt mode isn't going to accomplish that.

You still need a good asset(s) to get them; teams don't just hand them away and they don't have the cap space (without creating a hole elsewhere) for it either.

I specifically said re-load, not re-build. The Spurs have a major advantage with Leonard over typical non contender with young elite player: they've already won a championship with him and been to two Finals, so the pressure that most teams face in that situation doesn't exist. Plus, because of their track record and his love of the organization, he'd more than likely trust them.

[apalisoc_9]

Young dynamic PG's are probably the easiest type of player to get, tbh (talking about all-star, or near, level players of course). We already have the most important and difficult asset to get: a young SF stud that's elite in both sides. We just need to surround him better, but at the same time we need to keep him with us, and going full rebuilt mode isn't going to accomplish that.

The last point is probably the biggest factor. Most teams consider a 55+ team a great rebuilding accomplishment, there is no assurance that a rebuild would yield a better product.

More importantly, It's pretty evident that Kawhi would never want to be part of a rebuilding team. You can say keep Leonard as much as you want, but he's.not going to stay here when he turns 27 and he's surrounded by players that failed to yield result. Winning 50+ win every year, insures he's always going to stay and insures that they might only need one player more to contend.

In addition to that, Both Curry and Durant is a UFA in the next couple years. You Dont know what they're going to do. If they get even better, there is not much else you can do because no rebuilding will make you better than a team with 2 top ten player and 2 top 20 players.

The spurs will have flexibility in the next couple years, salary wise. If they stay pat, and land someone next year to make up for the lack of playmaking that would be another 55+ win team.

[DAF86]

You still need a good asset(s) to get them; teams don't just hand them away and they don't have the cap space (without creating a hole elsewhere) for it either.

I specifically said re-load, not re-build. The Spurs have a major advantage with Leonard over typical non contender with young elite player: they've already won a championship with him and been to two Finals, so the pressure that most teams face in that situation doesn't exist. Plus, because of their track record and his love of the organization, he'd more than likely trust them.

I don't care if they come back and pull another fools gold win out of their ass against some inferior opponent, really good teams don't trail by double digits in 6 of 7 or whatever it's been and repeatedly labor to eclipse 30 in the 1st half (while being mostly healthy). Not having a dynamic guard makes everything difficult and is a death knell in today's NBA.

They can either keep pretending or face what's staring them in the face: it's time to re-build. Everyone not named Leonard should be anywhere from in play - shopped hard, with the intention being to peak again when he's in his late 20's. The longer they wait, the greater the chance of wasting the entirety of his prime out of contention.

It's been 2+ seasons of progressive decline and they've continued to pull games out of their ass mostly on muscle memory and sheer will, but that only lasts so long and goes so far. You can feel the bottom about to drop out. They might as well save themselves another inevitable playoff disappointment/embarrassment and maximize the return of some of the key players while they still have a decent amount of term left.

Dude, c'mon.

you and djohn2oo8 are driving me crazy, tbh.

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[TD 21]

Dude, c'mon.

you and djohn2oo8 are driving me crazy, tbh.

Leonard is one player, not three.

Describing a go to play maker on a championship team as "minor".

You're deluding yourself over regular season wins against inferior opponents.

I generally agree with not breaking up a top 4 team, but that's only if you have at least a puncher's chance at a championship. I no longer believe they do, so they're better off re-loading (it wouldn't be a re-build; they have a bunch of players who could return something substantial), rather than pretending and increasing the risk of wasting Leonard's entire prime.

We agree that they need one more piece, the difference is I'm realistic enough to realize that it's not an attainable piece.

Once again: describing a go to play maker on a championship team as "minor".

[Splits]

Dude, c'mon.

you and djohn2oo8 are driving me crazy, tbh.

[DAF86]

We agree that they need one more piece, the difference is I'm realistic enough to realize that it's not an attainable piece.

Once again: describing a go to play maker on a championship team as "minor".

You changing your stance from "rebuild" to "reload", means that you agree with the rest of us that thought your OP was a bit too pessimistic?

[spursistan]

The last point is probably the biggest factor. Most teams consider a 55+ team a great rebuilding accomplishment, there is no assurance that a rebuild would yield a better product.

More importantly, It's pretty evident that Kawhi would never want to be part of a rebuilding team. You can say keep Leonard as much as you want, but he's.not going to stay here when he turns 27 and he's surrounded by players that failed to yield result. Winning 50+ win every year, insures he's always going to stay and insures that they might only need one player more to contend.

In addition to that, Both Curry and Durant is a UFA in the next couple years. You Dont know what they're going to do. If they get even better, there is not much else you can do because no rebuilding will make you better than a team with 2 top ten player and 2 top 20 players.

The spurs will have flexibility in the next couple years, salary wise. If they stay pat, and land someone next year to make up for the lack of playmaking that would be another 55+ win team.

I hope the PATFO won't make the mistake and take for granted Kawhi being a Spur lifer ala Thunder with Durant. Don't think KL is the beta and snake Durant is, but they should not take any chances with it..California is Kawhi home state and the Lakers were his favorite team growing up..He could be their last missing piece to contend again by 2019 when he is eligible to opt out of his contract..

Spurs are going to need to be imaginative and lucky to get him another LEGIT star of his same age group (born in '90-'95) to make a real push for another le...Honestly I'm banking on Pop in his Team USA HC function to sweetalk on of those guys into signing in San Antonio..Anthony Davis seems like the guy who could demand trade in a year or two..

[TD 21]

You changing your stance from "rebuild" to "reload", means that you agree with the rest of us that thought your OP was a bit too pessimistic?

I didn't change my stance (as if a meaningless blowout win against arguably the worst team in the league would lead to that); maybe I just wasn't clear in the initial post, which was typed while keeping an eye on the game. I was never suggesting going full 76ers, not with a top 5-10 player just entering his prime.

In the direct conversation we were having, I specifically said re-load, but you were too busy veering off topic and desperately seeking a gotcha moment, in an attempt to distract from the stupid comments you made.

[DAF86]

I didn't change my stance (as if a meaningless blowout win against arguably the worst team in the league would lead to that); maybe I just wasn't clear in the initial post, which was typed while keeping an eye on the game. I was never suggesting going full 76ers, not with a top 5-10 player just entering his prime.

In the direct conversation we were having, I specifically said re-load, but you were too busy veering off topic and desperately seeking a gotcha moment, in an attempt to distract from the stupid comments you made.

Maybe you should humble a bit and accept that you either made a redaction mistake or you moved goal posts midway. The only reason I (and I'm sure most of the folks that replied to this thread) jumped on you is because of your use of the word "rebuild". I bet most folks woulf agree that a "reload" is necessary to trully contend again.

BTW, the le "this team is done" is more related to the notion of "rebuild" than "reload", tbh.

[YGWHI]

Critiquing something and having an original opinion is not crying and whining.

Hilarious...What's your ORIGINAL OPINION??

"Kawhi isn't Magic/Nash as playmaker"

"Parker and Manu aging prevent them from being reliable players/playmakers"


EVERYONE knows it here but you're stupid enough to think those are original thoughts.

I expected more balance between Leonard and Aldridge.

And the lack of balance is because ...

It just happened organically and specifically because Leonard has decided to take on an even bigger role

You can't admit that the two mains reasons for LMA passivity on offense are:

-His bad shape

-Pau's eating shots in LMA's spots.

But sure, LMA's lazy offseason, his out-of-shape thing, Pau getting the ball in his hands more than him...All this is Kawhi's FAULT because "he decided to take a even bigger role".

What you do is beyond pathetic, it's flat out disgraceful.

Nah...Exposing you is a community service. That's why there are so many volunteers doing the same work on you in this thread.

[Kawhitstorm]

But....but...but...Kawobe is taking shots away from Kawhi

[Kawhitstorm]

Spurs are going to need to be imaginative and lucky to get him another LEGIT star of his same age group (born in '90-'95) to make a real push for another le...Honestly I'm banking on Pop in his Team USA HC function to sweetalk on of those guys into signing in San Antonio..Anthony Davis seems like the guy who could demand trade in a year or two..

Spurs don't have anyone to trade for Davis unless Nikola Milutinov is the next Marc Gasol.

WestBrick is the guy they might target & he doesn't to mind playing in a small market (family man) plus he HATES the media so playing in SA shouldn't be a turnoff. He's also on Team Jordan along w/ Kawhi & he's also from SoCal so they might have some type of acquaintance. He's going to opt-out when Porker's contract expires so the timing is perfect.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Spurs don't have anyone to trade for Davis unless Nikola Milutinov is the next Marc Gasol.

WestBrick is the guy they might target & he doesn't to mind playing in a small market (family man) plus he HATES the media so playing in SA shouldn't be a turnoff. He's also on Team Jordan along w/ Kawhi & he's also from SoCal so they might have some type of acquaintance. He's going to opt-out when Porker's contract expires so the timing is perfect.

Would rather have Paul, tbh. Westbrick is too rogue.

[SAGirl]

Maybe you should humble a bit and accept that you either made a redaction mistake or you moved goal posts midway. The only reason I (and I'm sure most of the folks that replied to this thread) jumped on you is because of your use of the word "rebuild". I bet most folks woulf agree that a "reload" is necessary to trully contend again.

BTW, the le "this team is done" is more related to the notion of "rebuild" than "reload", tbh.

TD 21 is never going to be humble or admit defeat.
He's apparently not ever going to have a positive outlook either.

He's mister doom.

[Kawhitstorm]

Would rather have Paul, tbh. Westbrick is too rogue.

Choke-P will be TOSB in 2 years.

[TD 21]

Maybe you should humble a bit and accept that you either made a redaction mistake or you moved goal posts midway. The only reason I (and I'm sure most of the folks that replied to this thread) jumped on you is because of your use of the word "rebuild". I bet most folks woulf agree that a "reload" is necessary to trully contend again.

BTW, the le "this team is done" is more related to the notion of "rebuild" than "reload", tbh.

That's funny coming from one of the most arrogant posters on the board. I said, "maybe I just wasn't clear in the initial post", but I damn sure was in the direct conversation with you.

No, you and the others who jumped on me did so because that's what you people do and this was just your excuse to do it. You've had an issue with me ever since I failed to put white before Hispanic in reference to your god, which upset you because you're a closet racist.

Hilarious...What's your ORIGINAL OPINION??

"Kawhi isn't Magic/Nash as playmaker"

"Parker and Manu aging prevent them from being reliable players/playmakers"


EVERYONE knows it here but you're stupid enough to think those are original thoughts.




And the lack of balance is because ...


You can't admit that the two mains reasons for LMA passivity on offense are:

-His bad shape

-Pau's eating shots in LMA's spots.

But sure, LMA's lazy offseason, his out-of-shape thing, Pau getting the ball in his hands more than him...All this is Kawhi's FAULT because "he decided to take a even bigger role".



Nah...Exposing you is a community service. That's why there are so many volunteers doing the same work on you in this thread.

Please don't critique Kawhi.

If you know Leonard isn't a good play maker for others, why do you constantly argue otherwise?

So Aldridge's passivity on offense is because of his being out of shape? His relative ineffectiveness could be attributed to that, but passivity?

My takes are often original and that's why they receive such flak because most people can't think for themselves and default to group think. This is typical cliche, vanilla sports fan logic: someone critiqued my favorite team, therefore they're not a real fan.

TD 21 is never going to be humble or admit defeat.
He's apparently not ever going to have a positive outlook either.

He's mister doom.

Why can't we all just hold hands, sing Kumbaya, sing Anderson's praises, fantasize about his fat head and bash those big meanies Pop and the old guys for holding him back.

[DAF86]

That's funny coming from one of the most arrogant posters on the board. I said, "maybe I just wasn't clear in the initial post", but I damn sure was in the direct conversation with you.

No, you and the others who jumped on me did so because that's what you people do and this was just your excuse to do it. You've had an issue with me ever since I failed to put white before Hispanic in reference to your god, which upset you because you're a closet racist.




Please don't critique Kawhi.

If you know Leonard isn't a good play maker for others, why do you constantly argue otherwise?

So Aldridge's passivity on offense is because of his being out of shape? His relative ineffectiveness could be attributed to that, but passivity?

My takes are often original and that's why they receive such flak because most people can't think for themselves and default to group think. This is typical cliche, vanilla sports fan logic: someone critiqued my favorite team, therefore they're not a real fan.




Why can't we all just hold hands, sing Kumbaya, sing Anderson's praises, fantasize about his fat head and bash those big meanies Pop and the old guys for holding him back.

The son? Are you sure that was me? When did that happen?

Thinking I have an issue with you, I don't have an opinion made of your internet persona either way. I don't pay attention when you post; I didn't even know we supossedly had an interaction before.

[Kawhitstorm]

So Aldridge's passivity on offense is because of his being out of shape? His relative ineffectiveness could be attributed to that, but passivity?

News Flash: Pau isn't out there setting screens for Danny & just letting Softridge go to work in the post like Tim but rather it's Softridge watching Pau go to work in the post while he hang out at the elbow.
Pau gets 58 post touches while Softridge is getting 53.

[tholdren]

News Flash: Pau isn't out there setting screens for Danny & just letting Softridge go to work in the post like Tim but rather it's Softridge watching Pau go to work in the post while he hang out at the elbow.

Spurs love affair for non-rebounding, jump shooting bigs, is hard to handle.

[Kawhitstorm]

Spurs love affair for non-rebounding, jump shooting bigs, is hard to handle.

Softridge & Pau are leading the league in % of points coming off mid-range jumpers.

[YGWHI]

If you know Leonard isn't a good play maker for others, why do you constantly argue otherwise?

WHO? WHEN? Damn...You're more stupid that I thought.

I wonder who says that Kawhi is a great creator...He will never be one.

If he would be able to put 10 apg he would be better than LeBron and Kobe together.

That wouldn't be a problem if this team would have a reliable and elite playmaker to help him. After all, he can't be the best in everything on this team.

Also, there is a difference between good and great. Kawhi's decent, he's increasing his APG this season, he's getting better at it.

For some scorers, playmakers skills demand a maturation process, but if you ask me if Kawhi will be elite, All-Time distributor/playmaker in next seasons? No, he won't.

So Aldridge's passivity on offense is because of his being out of shape? His relative ineffectiveness could be attributed to that, but passivity?

I know, this exceeds your reasoning ability...But yes, that's one of the reasons. The other is Gasol presence.

Still 'getting in shape' means that LMA offensive moves are very limited now, he can't stay aggressive or take shots that he usually takes when he's in better physical condition.

Like last year, Aldridge is starting the season slow because of the work he didn't put in the offseason.
Like last year, once Aldridge loses his all of his pudgy offseason weight he will become more mobile.

That in itself will help his scoring as he will be lighter on his feet -- which will make him more effective as a scorer because his foot work will be quicker and more crisp and he'll be able to beat his man more often in transition and seal him for an easy opportunity early in the possession.
...

His only way to score right now, with the ball, is by using his body to back his man up to create an advantageous situation for him to create space for his meh reverse pivot fadeaway. Once a big with size crowds him ( bc he can't make a strong move towards the rim right now), he really has no answer and he has to pass it back out and reset the offense. He just doesn't have a lot of tools outside of his Pick and Pop jumper when he's playing at a higher weight.

My takes are often original

Nah. That's what you want to believe...