NBA: When did DK become the consensus GOAT?

[140]

I think Isiah was better than Magic tbh

So Isiah = GOAT?

[Kidd K]

LeBron is the GOAT though

If course he is undefeated

- Lakers were not even supposed to be in 91 Finals (neither were the Bulls, but Stern changed the rules for Mike) and they had a lot of injuries
- Drexler didn't have a Pippen
- Suns had perimeter D and no interior D
- Sonic were good but let's not forget MJ shot like in those series. Rodman was rhe real Finals MVP
- I'll give him 97
- the officiating in game 6 of the 98 Finals was comical

But yeal let's forget all his previous playoff failures

Jordan with a roster Bulls got swept in the 1st round, while LeBron took an even tier roster to the 2007 Finals

LeBron almost literally every season: No compe ion until the Finals due to playing in arguably the decade-long weakest conference in NBA history, then gets his ass caved in more than half the time when he finally plays a real team.

Literally takes LeBron's team each season and simulate it being in the west that year instead and he almost never reaches the Finals. It's nice to be able to coast into the Finals fresh from not having to try that hard instead of having to win 2-3 dogfights of series to get there.

No way he's the GOAT with how easy his roads have been yet still only has half the rings of the real GOAT.

[baseline bum]

If course he is undefeated

- Lakers were not even supposed to be in 91 Finals (neither were the Bulls, but Stern changed the rules for Mike) and they had a lot of injuries

Was that when Magic seroconverted?

[lefty]

LeBron almost literally every season: No compe ion until the Finals due to playing in arguably the decade-long weakest conference in NBA history, then gets his ass caved in more than half the time when he finally plays a real team.

Literally takes LeBron's team each season and simulate it being in the west that year instead and he almost never reaches the Finals. It's nice to be able to coast into the Finals fresh from not having to try that hard instead of having to win 2-3 dogfights of series to get there.

No way he's the GOAT with how easy his roads have been yet still only has half the rings of the real GOAT.

It's not like MJ had a lot of dogfight series in the EC during his 6peat

98 Pacers gave the Bulls
92 and 93 Knicks series were a dogfight too

Beyond that ?

- 92-93 Cavs were stacked but they are also a cute little regular season team
- Sixers were
- Hawks were
- Heat were

[Kawhitstorm]

It's not like MJ had a lot of dogfight series in the EC during his 6peat

98 Pacers gave the Bulls
92 and 93 Knicks series were a dogfight too

Beyond that ?

- 92-93 Cavs were stacked but they are also a cute little regular season team
- Sixers were
- Hawks were
- Heat were

Name me a team better than the '96 Magic that LeBron beat when he won Leastern Conference championship series?

-The team that was led by Rondo
-The team featuring Hibbert
-The team that had Boozer playing wing-man
-The team which starred DeFrozen
-The team whose all-star center got outplayed by Tristan Thompson

[Clipper Nation]

The East was an absolute joke during DK's prime after Stern changed the rules and destroyed the Bad Boy Pistons. The one time he had to face a legit team before the Finals after that, he choked:



Other than that, he was fed a steady diet of fraud teams led by John Starks, Reggie Miller and the like.

[lefty]

Name me a team better than the '96 Magic that LeBron beat when he won Leastern Conference championship series?

Good example, the 96 Magic had injuries rbh

[lefty]

The East was an absolute joke during DK's prime after Stern changed the rules and destroyed the Bad Boy Pistons. The one time he had to face a legit team before the Finals after that, he choked:

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Who was better : Magic or MJ in your opinion?
Would you take Isiah over MJ?

[Kawhitstorm]

Good example, the 96 Magic had injuries rbh

Yeah Shaq/Penny by themselves weren't better than the Pacers/Bulls/cRaptors/Cawks or AARP Celtics "core".

DK shutdown Anderson & made him quit by torching him on the other end. That was all she wrote for the Magic.

[Clipper Nation]

Also, the "Finals record" narrative is a complete farce. DK was always on the most stacked team in the league in his prime and never had to go up against a more talented team than his own. He never had to go up against a juggernaut like Duncan's Spurs or the 73-win Warriors, and he certainly never dragged a D-League caliber supporting cast to the Finals all by himself like LeBron did in 2007.

If DK didn't get suspended for betting on basketball, Hakeem would have taken a wet on him in back-to-back Finals. And if the Stern Button wasn't pushed in 1998, DK would have lost those Finals too - which is pathetic, considering how that Jazz team was built around two mentally weak choke artists. Game 6 was one of the most fixed sporting events of all time. MVPippen's back was injured so severely that he wasn't going to be able to play in Game 7. The league knew that DK never won jack without MVPippen holding his hand, and they couldn't have their cash cow go out a loser, so they stepped in to ensure a Bulls win. Hence, they called a horse shot clock violation on a Howard Eisley three while ignoring a blatant shot clock violation on Ron Harper, creating a five-point swing in what ended up being a one-point game. And as the cherry on top, they let DK push off on the final shot.

[Clipper Nation]

Wilt dropping truth bombs:

"If Michael was here right now, I would say to him: When you are so great that the league tries to change the rules in an attempt to stop you then you can claim you are the best ever. Every rule change I have seen during your career has been meant to enhance your game (such as shortened 3 point line, hand checking rules & well defined rules regarding illegal defenses)."

Wilt

[lefty]

Also, the "Finals record" narrative is a complete farce. DK was always on the most stacked team in the league in his prime and never had to go up against a more talented team than his own. He never had to go up against a juggernaut like Duncan's Spurs or the 73-win Warriors, and he certainly never dragged a D-League caliber supporting cast to the Finals all by himself like LeBron did in 2007.

If DK didn't get suspended for betting on basketball, Hakeem would have taken a wet on him in back-to-back Finals. And if the Stern Button wasn't pushed in 1998, DK would have lost those Finals too - which is pathetic, considering how that Jazz team was built around two mentally weak choke artists. Game 6 was one of the most fixed sporting events of all time. MVPippen's back was injured so severely that he wasn't going to be able to play in Game 7. The league knew that DK never won jack without MVPippen holding his hand, and they couldn't have their cash cow go out a loser, so they stepped in to ensure a Bulls win. Hence, they called a horse shot clock violation on a Howard Eisley three while ignoring a blatant shot clock violation on Ron Harper, creating a five-point swing in what ended up being a one-point game. And as the cherry on top, they let DK push off on the final shot.

Yup

I agree on pretty much everything

Except for the 73-9 Warriors tbh, MJs Bulls would have smoked them

[Clipper Nation]

To all the DK slurpers: if your boy was so great, why did he beg the league not to allow the zone defense?

The subject was defense in the NBA, and Michael Jordan was speaking, although more about offense, especially his. We know few defenses could do anything about that.

But there was one that might be bothersome, the zone defense. It was the topic du jour at last month's All-Star Game, and Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the compe ion committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.

The change is not just a present for players like Steve Kerr, Bryce Drew and Trajan Langdon, who are primarily perimeter shooters. It's more of a statement to all players that they should learn the fundamentals of the game--to shoot the ball, pass and move without the ball.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...mendations-nba

Yesterday's NBA
"Pls no zone defenses"
"Stern pls"
"But we don't want to pass the ball or learn the fundamentals!"

[lefty]

CN, got, would you take Magic and Isiah over DK?

[Kawhitstorm]

Also, the "Finals record" narrative is a complete farce. DK was always on the most stacked team in the league in his prime and never had to go up against a more talented team than his own. He never had to go up against a juggernaut like Duncan's Spurs or the 73-win Warriors, and he certainly never dragged a D-League caliber supporting cast to the Finals all by himself like LeBron did in 2007.

If DK didn't get suspended for betting on basketball, Hakeem would have taken a wet on him in back-to-back Finals. And if the Stern Button wasn't pushed in 1998, DK would have lost those Finals too - which is pathetic, considering how that Jazz team was built around two mentally weak choke artists. Game 6 was one of the most fixed sporting events of all time. MVPippen's back was injured so severely that he wasn't going to be able to play in Game 7. The league knew that DK never won jack without MVPippen holding his hand, and they couldn't have their cash cow go out a loser, so they stepped in to ensure a Bulls win. Hence, they called a horse shot clock violation on a Howard Eisley three while ignoring a blatant shot clock violation on Ron Harper, creating a five-point swing in what ended up being a one-point game. And as the cherry on top, they let DK push off on the final shot.

It's not DK's fault that Hakeem got punked by Kemp in the '96 WCF.




...then go cucked by one of the "mentally weak choke artist":

[lefty]

He is talking about 94 and 95 tbh


Oh and Stern made sure the Rockets wouldn't beat Seattle, that call at the end of Game 7 , because he knew they would have destroyed the Suns

[Clipper Nation]

CN, got, would you take Magic and Isiah over DK?

Both of them on DK, tbh. Magic is also more heterosexual than DK.

[lefty]

Both of them on DK, tbh. Magic is also more heterosexual than DK.

[Clipper Nation]

He is talking about 94 and 95 tbh


Oh and Stern made sure the Rockets wouldn't beat Seattle, that call at the end of Game 7 , because he knew they would have destroyed the Suns

The Jazz series in '97 was also garbage. Malone had Drexler in a freaking bear hug on Stockton's shot in Game 6, uncalled.

[lefty]

The Jazz series in '97 was also garbage. Malone had Drexler in a freaking bear hug on Stockton's shot in Game 6, uncalled.

Yup I remember that too

DOnt get me started on game 5 of the 1993 ECF

Or game 1 of the 1992 NBA Finals

[Kidd K]

It's not like MJ had a lot of dogfight series in the EC during his 6peat

98 Pacers gave the Bulls
92 and 93 Knicks series were a dogfight too

Beyond that ?

- 92-93 Cavs were stacked but they are also a cute little regular season team
- Sixers were
- Hawks were
- Heat were

You forgot Shaq's Magic and the Pistons teams he had to try and battle past too, and prior to him winning les the Pistons who eliminated his Bulls won two straight les (the team he beat to win his first).

All Finals-caliber teams. LeBron faced zero of those types of teams when he was championship caliber. The only time he did was the last little bit of the big 3 Celtics which broke up anyway.

MJ had tougher compe ion prior to the Finals.

[lefty]

You forgot Shaq's Magic and the Pistons teams he had to try and battle past too, and prior to him winning les the Pistons who eliminated his Bulls won two straight les (the team he beat to win his first).

All Finals-caliber teams. LeBron faced zero of those types of teams when he was championship caliber. The only time he did was the last little bit of the big 3 Celtics which broke up anyway.

MJ had tougher compe ion prior to the Finals.

I didnt mention the Pistons because I was talking about the 6peat years
Yes they met them in 91 but Isiah had a ed up wrist (right hand) and Stern changed the rules just before the 90-91 season

96 Magic had injuries (not just Grant); and DK couldnt guard Penny, they had to put Pippen on him

[Kawhitstorm]

96 Magic had injuries (not just Grant); and DK couldnt guard Penny, they had to put Pippen on him

Penny was a POINT GUARD why would DK guard him when BJ was the POINT guard, besides Penny didn't want any part of DK on the other end either.

In any case, an in shape DK tore Penny another one in '96 when they were matched up:

[lefty]

fail

BJ wasn't with the Bulls anymore in 96

Pippen wasn't a PG either

Phil put DK on Magic in 91 but was forced to put Pippen on him

[ambchang]

Magic annihilated Jordan so bad in game 1 that Jordan officially became gay. That was Jordan's official came out of closed moment.