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Parker's issues are his inability to stay healthy and the fact that any minor ailment renders him useless. The rare stretches he's both healthy and in rhythm, while no longer good enough, he's still clearly the best point guard on the roster.
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Parker's issues are his inability to stay healthy and the fact that any minor ailment renders him useless. The rare stretches he's both healthy and in rhythm, while no longer good enough, he's still clearly the best point guard on the roster.
Parker's issues are his inability to stay healthy and the fact that any minor ailment renders him useless. The rare stretches he's both healthy and in rhythm, while no longer good enough, he's still clearly the best point guard on the roster.
201 Jonas Valanciunas, C TOR 61 26.1 -1.20 0.31 -0.89 2.16 202 Darren Collison, PG SAC 53 30.9 0.76 -1.66 -0.90 2.20 203 Jeremy Lin, PG BKN 17 22.8 -0.86 -0.07 -0.93 0.51 204 Corey Brewer, SF HOU/LAL 62 15.5 -1.64 0.70 -0.94 1.34 205 Mike Tobey, C CHA 2 12.5 -1.90 0.96 -0.94 0.03 206 Chinanu Onuaku, PF HOU 2 5.0 -1.63 0.65 -0.98 0.02 207 Tony Parker, PG SA 47 25.8 -0.46 -0.53 -0.99 1.55 208 Anthony Tolliver, PF SAC 49 23.3 -0.04 -0.96 -1.00 1.49 209 Damian Jones, C GS 8 5.6 -1.78 0.76 -1.02 0.06 210 Jordan Hill, PF MIN 5 8.0 -1.90 0.86 -1.04 0.05 211 Josh Huestis, SF OKC 1 7.0 -1.68 0.63 -1.05 0.01 212 Devin Booker, SG PHX 61 34.5 1.08 -2.13 -1.05 2.70 213 Mirza Teletovic, PF MIL 51 15.6 -1.17 0.09 -1.08 1.00 214 Brice Johnson, F LAC 1 3.0 -1.92 0.84 -1.08 0.00 215 Skal Labissiere, PF SAC 12 9.8 -1.60 0.52 -1.08 0.13 216 Luis Scola, PF BKN 36 12.8 -0.80 -0.29 -1.09 0.62 217 Anderson Varejao, C GS 14 6.6 -1.74 0.65 -1.09 0.10 218 J.R. Smith, SG CLE 21 28.9 -1.15 0.03 -1.12 0.79 219 Al Jefferson, C IND 57 14.6 -0.57 -0.57 -1.14 1.04 220 Langston Galloway, SG NO/SAC 57 19.9 0.63 -1.77 -1.14 1.41
52 Pau Gasol, C SA 44 26.4 -0.06 1.96 1.90 3.39 53 Al Horford, C BOS 50 32.8 1.09 0.79 1.88 5.00 54 Dwight Howard, C ATL 56 29.3 -0.60 2.46 1.86 4.99 55 Jrue Holiday, PG NO 47 32.8 1.12 0.74 1.86 4.74 56 Damian Lillard, PG POR 56 36.0 3.85 -2.03 1.82 6.05 57 Rudy Gay, SF SAC 30 33.8 -0.04 1.83 1.79 3.12 58 Malcolm Brogdon, SG MIL 61 25.9 2.03 -0.27 1.76 4.57 59 Mason Plumlee, C DEN/POR 61 27.3 1.11 0.64 1.75 5.03 60 Patty Mills, PG SA 60 21.6 2.82 -1.09 1.73 3.78
Where the does porker get this benefit that he is the best PG on the team. Patty Mills is way better than Porker right now.
Murray isn't close to being ready to play in the NBA. He needs an off-season to work on his shot and add muscle. He might be ready to contribute a little next year, hopefully more. But he sure as ain't ready for minutes now.
I know the numbers and this list is irrelevant since it doesn't factor in my qualifiers: the rare stretches he's healthy and in rhythm.
How can Murray have the clearer path to minutes than Kawhi to starting when Jefferson and Jackson played a combined 62 games Kawhi's rookie year and Jackson wasn't even on the team until March? Is your argument James Anderson was in the way?
Sure Parker isn't playing great and Mills has been up and down but where were the minutes going to be had? If anything their respective pathways to starting or minutes are a a wash but it seemed like it was laid out for Kawhi to slide right in the starting lineup.
In my opinion Murray should be playing WITH Mills but Ginobili and Simmons are obviously ahead of Murray in that respect so I'm not seeing this easier pathway to minutes you're seeing.
But that's part of him as a player. He isn't. And you shouldn't gloss over it.
Murray needs to mothball the floater.
They played 66 games that year. Don't be disingenuous.
I know and I'm not. I'm just saying, that's not reason enough to bench him in favor of a raw rookie. Not on a team with championship aspirations.But that's part of him as a player. He isn't. And you shouldn't gloss over it.
It's unfortunate and I have no confidence in it actually happening, but they just have to hope he's both healthy and in rhythm and can remain so throughout the playoffs.
But you can't base the best PG on the team using "ifs". You have to use the "whole body of games" including for the fact that you also sit out games. That's not even bringing in production to contract ratio. Tony Parker is not the best PG on the team.
Like you said a while back, under one of your alts, too many people can't properly interpret advanced stats. Mills is better in his role than Parker is in his, but that doesn't make him a better player necessarily. Besides, Mills is only a point guard defensively. Murray is still learning to be a point guard offensively. The only two guards on the roster than can run an offense, are still Parker and Ginobili . . . and that's why this team isn't a contender.
The team is a contender but 30mil on Porker and Manu to production wise, we could be doing better.
I apologize for that but can we at least agree that Murray didn't have the easier pathway? Again Jackson wasn't signed until March.
Yes, he has an easier pathway. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't believe it. They traded Jefferson for Jackson. They always had a guy whom they could start. And they had Green, Manu and Anderson as options. Murray just has to beat Simmons. Maybe Kyle too.
Nah, Murray has to beat Tony and Mills. Pop's not going to bench his 15 years hall of fame PG and Mills delivered as the backup PG. So no, Murray didn't have an easy path to cracking the rotation.
No, he doesn't. He'd need to do that to start at PG, not to get into the guard rotation in general. To do that he just needs to be the 10th-best player.
Mills is still a clearly better player, but Murray has already shown he's more of a PG than Patty will ever be, sadly (or optimistically). I really hope he continues to develop.
Not in Pop's mind. Murray is a PG and got drafted as such. Playing him as a winger would take away some of the advantages he has as a PG.
Maybe Murray's better able to run an offense and free-lance. But Mills has things he can do reliably with the ball to get assists, which is why his A:TO is much better. Patty can leverage his scoring ability to get guys open, and DeJounte is not good enough in that regard to do the same thing. I would never say Mills is a PG in a meaningful sense, and Murray definitely has more potential, but I won't go as far as to say Murray is a better PG now. He has flashes and is also prone to being a disaster.
Why is this an issue? He's played Parker at the two. He played Neal at the one. He played Hill at the two. Pop clearly doesn't care about making sure Murray plays only one position. That's just not how basketball works. Murray would likely play next to another PG for stretches no matter how good he is. Curry and Irving do it all the time. This just a coping mechanism in my mind.
And who cares if he will not have the same physical advantages on the wing? Is Murray having to learn to play without being able to depend on his size not a good thing? Hill played SF for the Spurs at points. Murray would be well served to learn the two's game on both ends, whether he ends up playing a ton at SG once he becomes an established player or not. He'll be doing plenty of off-guard work with Kawhi handling the ball, and he'll have to switch onto bigger guys all the time in the Spurs' defensive scheme. No one is JUST a PG nowadays.
Take it easy guys, he just freed Dedmon, one step at a time. Tony is still very valuable to this team.
He's a better pure PG. Mills's game is entirely from his shooting. If he's not hitting, he's really hurting the Spurs. But he's still a much better player than 20 year old talented prospect, no argument there.
So how is that an easier path to minutes if Murray has not only Parker and Mills to contend with at point but also Green, Ginobili, and Simmons at the 2? The minutes just aren't there. Kawhi just had Jefferson who was trash and Anderson? It was gift wrapped for Kawhi to start.
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