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    You don't think he's fat?
    Asks the guy who desperately wants high ground on farts.

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    Its all about how the word socialism will be interpreted imo.
    The blue team better get out ahead of this and define it for the people.
    I'm not sure it matters much. Like it or not, people like Bernie. His policies considered individually poll very well too. Calling Bernie a socialist could backfire and create an entry way for social democracy in the US.

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    That's what all the wise heads said about Trump in 2016.

    All the wise heads were wrong, it could happen again. In terms of popularity there's no comparison --- Sanders is far more popular than Trump today or HRC in 2016
    Spoken aloud like that is disconcerting, Winester. Don't do it again.

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    In terms of popularity there's no comparison --- Sanders is far more popular than Trump today or HRC in 2016
    Nobody has even tried to lay a glove on Bernie. Dems are scared of his rabid supporters and Repubs are waiting/hoping he's the nominee. Maybe nothing will stick but they have 40 years of material to choose from.

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    Bernie Sanders’s definition of democratic socialism, explained

    Four months into his second presidential campaign, Sanders took the stage at George Washington University to make his clearest case for democratic socialism.

    It was a case he made in 2015, too, at a speech down the road at Georgetown University, but it appears the moment has caught up to his argument.

    "we must take up the unfinished business of the New Deal and carry it to completion. ...

    We must recognize that in the 21st century, in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, economic rights are human rights.

    That is what I mean by democratic socialism.”

    “[Authoritarian leaders] redirect popular anger about inequality and declining economic conditions into violent rage against minorities —

    whether they are immigrants, racial minorities, religious minorities or the LGBT community,” Sanders said.

    “And to suppress dissent, they are cracking down on democracy and human rights.”

    , Sanders’s speech also invoked Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

    He made the same call for an economic bill of rights:

    for health care,

    affordable housing,

    racial equality,

    a clean environment, and

    a living wage.

    Sanders may have a newfound status as a frontrunner, but

    a democratic socialist in America still has to define their vision in terms that Americans can understand —

    and can fit into a fiercely capitalistic society.

    Bernie Sanders’s agenda has been normalized in Democratic politics

    The rallying cries that distinguished him from Clinton in 2016 —

    Medicare-for-all,
    a $15 minimum wage,
    campaign finance reform,
    free college —

    are no longer unique positions.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...lism-explained


    The blue team might have to adopt the above.
    Maybe if Sanders wins the nomination, one of the other contenders who have criticized him on any of the above can be brought on as VP to make it palatable to those who knee jerk to the S word.
    Last edited by pgardn; 02-23-2020 at 09:02 PM.

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    LYING Repugs/Trash/right wing hate media slander "socialist" Bernie as Communist

    while Trash purges govt like Josef Stalin, with plenty of dead people, and a gulag
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 02-23-2020 at 08:58 PM.

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    So much for leadership, professionalism and management.

    Trump makes hit lists and purges anyone who doesn't bend the knee to his whim.

    As one does now.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-memos-de...41c9700c3.html

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    Collusion requires that Trump and Russia cooperated and planned TOGETHER. By what I understand.

    So who came up with the plan to begin with?
    Which party first contacted the other party?
    What was the plan and how did it evolve or change?
    What States were specifically focused on?
    Why did Minnesota go wrong?

    There are so many questions that should have an answer if Trump and Russia colluded together on a plan to interfere... no its more than interfere, planned to win the election for Trump. Interference by the Russians makes the most sense because all it requires is to plant seeds of doubt and let them sprout. A plan to set a contentious division of beliefs against each other. And this interference has worked. Trump is perfectly in tune with this because it is exactly how he campaigns and runs a government.

    We are coming closer to "I am the State, and the State is Me."

    And its because a significant number of people in the US want a leader to tell them this.
    We cant handle a leader who states a plan, explains what it is supposed to do, outlines possible shortcomings.
    We want someone who says I am the way to this result.

    Not, I will follow the rules of our government (because this is what CAN make us different from other countries) to produce these results by this method upon which our cons ution is founded.

    This entire presidency is one that plans to create contention and divisions that allow for distractions that allow the erosion of basic ethics imo. Basically to suit one man while others slip in their own goals during this distraction using the lack of candor and truth.


    June 28,2016 - trump publicly states - "russia if you are listening - i hope you find the emails...."
    June 28, 2016 - 5 hours AFTER trumps ask - Russian intelligence hacks the DNC server.

    Collusion



    Conspiracy to Defraud - is what you are equating to Collusion - it is not the same thing.

    Mueller could not PROVE conspiracy - for a number of reasons - but suffice to say - that Muellers hands were tied.
    Mueller was NOT allowed to charge/indict trump due to a DOJ MEMO - not a law, not the cons ution - just a DOJ MEMO
    and

    because BARR is a trump stooge and Barr was Muellers boss.

    Mueller could have proven crimes - had he been ALLOWED to pursue crimes and INDICT crimes but he was NOT allowed -

    So he did the next best thing - he conducted an abbreviated investigation where he did not compel Trump, Trump Jr., Jared, Ivanka - or any other high level administration officials to testify under oath.

    Mueller was limited to TWO narrow strips of allowable offenses to investigate - and anything else he might have stumbled on -
    he was FORBIDDEN to investigate.

    Mueller farmed out these 13 investigations to the FBI - and the FBI was supposed to follow up and report to Congress as per law - but those briefings and those investigations have been buried under Barrs corruption.


    Mueller could have proven Conspiracy had he been ALLOWED to compel Trumps testimony and that of the others in trump team -


    That first example above is COLLUSION

    Meaning COOPERATION

    Trump made the ASK

    Russia completed the ASK five hours later - and it happened in front of your eyes and mine.



    Indisputable.


    That russkie chick lawyer that emailed trump jr:

    russian: "I have dirt on hrc - the russian govt want to help yo daddy"

    Trump jr : "l love it"

    Meeting happened.

    COLLUSION

    Mueller - instead of doing his patriotic duty and compelling trump to testify - or at least make the request and let the courts decide if that DOJ /OLC memo was binding -


    just took a pass and let the criminals off the hook because - BARR had the upper hand and was going to corrupt any legal proceeding -

    or because Mueller was a coward.

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    So much for leadership, professionalism and management.

    Trump makes hit lists and purges anyone who doesn't bend the knee to his whim.

    As one does now.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-memos-de...41c9700c3.html
    Why are you trolling in the Trump is doing awesome thread?

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    Why are you trolling in the Trump is doing awesome thread?
    Not trolling.

    We'll let you know when it's trolling, rube.

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    Not trolling.

    We'll let you know when it's trolling, rube.
    When have you ever let someone know you were trolling them?

    LOL Dump

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    Not trolling.

    We'll let you know when it's trolling, rube.
    lol "we"

    Are you guys roommates?

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    lol "we"

    Are you guys roommates?
    Does this really have to be dumbed down for you, Qhris?

    I'll dumb it way down if you're having problems.

    You look like you're struggling.

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    Does this really have to be dumbed down for you, Qhris?

    I'll dumb it way down if you're having problems.

    You look like you're struggling.
    Why are you trolling in the Trump is doing awesome thread?

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    Nobody has even tried to lay a glove on Bernie. Dems are scared of his rabid supporters and Repubs are waiting/hoping he's the nominee. Maybe nothing will stick but they have 40 years of material to choose from.
    MSNBC, the NYT and WaPo have been negging him the whole way, guess you haven't been watching the debates, Bloomberg recently called him a commie on stage to gasps and hisses. If you think 40 year old quotes from the Cold War will sink Bernie, that's rather high hopes for old oppo research.

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    Trump butchers language during massive India welcome rally — as crowd walks out on his speech

    President Donald Trump butchered several Indian words during a speech on his first official visit to the country.

    The U.S. president bungled his pronunciation of Ahmedabad, the city where he was speaking, and

    the name of Indian philosopher Swami Vivekananda.

    Trump, who entered to the music of Elton John, also called the Vedas — ancient Hindu texts — the “Vestas.”

    BBC’s Rajini Vaidyanathan reported that

    crowds began leaving midway through Trump’s speech,

    which came after Modi spoke.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/trump-butchers-language-during-massive-india-welcome-rally-as-crowd-walks-out-on-his-speech/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3794



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    Despite massive cuts, deficits flow through Trump's second term

    President Trump's 2021 budget proposes $4.6 trillion in deficit reduction, but it would take 15 years to balance

    The budget will project deficits until 2035 and rather than proposing a new round of tax cuts, it assumes the extension of Trump's 2017 tax bill through the next term.

    On the 2016 campaign trail, Trump
    promised to eliminate the national debt in eight years.

    he's grown the debt by a trillion dollars each year he's been president.

    Even using optimistic scenarios, Trump's 2021 budget projects annual deficits to continue well beyond a second Trump term in office.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-budget-deficit-tax-cuts-0f224602-962a-4434-85ba-50dcb21b9f1e.html

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    Clarence Thomas' WHITE wife is deeply involved in making BLACK lists of people for Trash to You're Fired.

    "Cruelty is The Point"

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    White House admits tariffs hurt trade, what's the over/under on days until this guy gets fired for saying something that's obviously true?

    “Uncertainty generated by trade negotiations dampened investment,” Trump chief economist Tomas Philipson told reporters in a briefing on the annual Economic Report of the President released on Thursday.

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    I'm sure they love how many jobs have been outsourced to them under his watch

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    MSNBC, the NYT and WaPo have been negging him the whole way, guess you haven't been watching the debates, Bloomberg recently called him a commie on stage to gasps and hisses. If you think 40 year old quotes from the Cold War will sink Bernie, that's rather high hopes for old oppo research.
    Ok comrade

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    gay

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    lol ref baiting

    It's not my fault you don't pay attention.

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