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  1. #48726
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    GFY

    I told you -

    we wont know the truth - until another DOJ is in place. Another executive administration.

    Then we can see how Barr

    influenced Mueller
    influenced the IG'S
    influenced FBI investigations
    influenced the SDNY investigations into trumps crimes...

    etc...

    we don't know what this "obama appointed" bull did or did not do - of his own free will and what he was "influenced" to do.

    If your boss orders you to do something and talk to "no one" about it -

    you should resign - if the orders are murky or illegal or political -

    but only patriots do this - others cower and "play ball" -

    so we wont know until they are rooted out - and the entire chapter is investigated.
    Are you saying the evidence the Obama appointed Inspector General presented in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI was doctored/falsified evidence?

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    Are you saying the evidence the Obama appointed Inspector General presented in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI was doctored/falsified evidence?
    Are you saying that we didn't land on the moon?

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    Im saying the truth:

    Barr took over and conducted nothing but a defense of trump and his russia treason - you can take it anyt way you want -

    but we will not know the truth for a long time - until Barr and Trump are rooted out.

    The Mueller report = cover up to this day.
    Kavanaugh - sham 10 day limited FBI non-investigation.
    Trumps crimes/corruption/conspiracies - aided and abetted by Barr.
    Impeachment circus - GOP bribed/coerced/co-opted by $$$$ from somewhere - we will find out eventually.


    Investigate the investigators?

    gmafb - that is pure ing nonsense - which Russia educated trump and barr on -

    Russia knows exactly how you attack once you are under investigation for crimes/corruption and they trained trump well.
    He is simply baiting you man.

    I have made the same observation you made here.

    At some point, all the things they are trying to hide will come out. All the lies, all the criminal obstruction of justice and who knows what else, will be laid bare.

    This administration is so massively corrupt and stupid, they will not be able to cover it all up. There is too much, and they won't realize how compromised they are until the FBI serves the search warrant.

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    He is simply baiting you man.

    I have made the same observation you made here.

    At some point, all the things they are trying to hide will come out. All the lies, all the criminal obstruction of justice and who knows what else, will be laid bare.

    This administration is so massively corrupt and stupid, they will not be able to cover it all up. There is too much, and they won't realize how compromised they are until the FBI serves the search warrant.
    yup - pretty much -

    I learned long ago - he is basically trolling everyone here -

    there is absolutely no way ANYONE is that stupid and brainwashed -

    but he has a guaranteed trolling opportunity with this criminal traitor -


    probably just having fun DEFENDING CRIMES - which any normal person would be against.

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    yup - pretty much -

    I learned long ago - he is basically trolling everyone here -

    there is absolutely no way ANYONE is that stupid and brainwashed -

    but he has a guaranteed trolling opportunity with this criminal traitor -


    probably just having fun DEFENDING CRIMES - which any normal person would be against.
    Asking you to defend and explain your claims isn't baiting you. You're still dodging the questions.

    The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

    Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.

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    He is simply baiting you man.

    I have made the same observation you made here.

    At some point, all the things they are trying to hide will come out. All the lies, all the criminal obstruction of justice and who knows what else, will be laid bare.

    This administration is so massively corrupt and stupid, they will not be able to cover it all up. There is too much, and they won't realize how compromised they are until the FBI serves the search warrant.
    Did the Obama appointed Inspector General present evidence in his report that proved the FBI lied to the FISA court in order to obtain and warrant on Carter Page? Yes or no.

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    Asking you to defend and explain your claims isn't baiting you. You're still dodging the questions.

    The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

    Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.
    3rd time answering you - but it doesn't fit your troll game:

    We will know when this chapter is investigated in the future.

    We will see if -

    everyone was guilty and a traitor - and Page happened to be lucky to get away with his russian treason

    or

    everyone was guilty and Page just happened to be the ONLY one that was unfairly investigated.

    Either way - NOTHING to be ing the football about - because in each scenario - trump and his crew are still traitors -

    with or without Page conspiring or not.

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    Asking you to defend and explain your claims isn't baiting you. You're still dodging the questions.

    The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

    Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.
    why dont you have spurs homer on ignore? honest question

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    3rd time answering you - but it doesn't fit your troll game:

    We will know when this chapter is investigated in the future.

    We will see if -

    everyone was guilty and a traitor - and Page happened to be lucky to get away with his russian treason

    or

    everyone was guilty and Page just happened to be the ONLY one that was unfairly investigated.

    Either way - NOTHING to be ing the football about - because in each scenario - trump and his crew are still traitors -

    with or without Page conspiring or not.
    You're still not answering the questions, and now on top of throwing the Obama appointed Inspector General Horowitz under the boss just tossed Mueller and his report under the bus

    Simple yes or no answers, stop being a pussy.

    The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

    Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.

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    You're still not answering the questions, and now on top of throwing the Obama appointed Inspector General Horowitz under the boss just tossed Mueller and his report under the bus

    Simple yes or no answers, stop being a pussy.

    The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

    Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.
    Do you believe Page is a victim - yes or no?

    oh and


    GFY

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    Do you believe Page is a victim - yes or no?

    oh and


    GFY
    Yes. Page was the victim of the most intrusive surveillance our government does and it was done against him illegally.

    Simple yes or no answers, stop being a pussy.

    The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

    Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.

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    why dont you have spurs homer on ignore? honest question
    I don't even have boutons on ignore.

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    I don't even have boutons on ignore.
    eye torture

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    Yes. Page was the victim of the most intrusive surveillance our government does and it was done against him illegally.

    Simple yes or no answers, stop being a pussy.

    The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

    Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.
    wrong

    the same IG dude concluded that the investigation was predicated on legal means-

    so your “investigated illegally” premise is destroyed already

    4th or 5th time answering you:

    we will not know if the investigation ordered by Barr was truly legitimate until this chapter is closed and an independent panel uncovers everything that Trump and Barr ordered done

    we will not know until it is taken apart piece by piece


    THAT is the answer - right NOW - no one knows what kind of ery Barr orchestrated

    ask the same ANSWERED question again-

    you will be ignored.

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    Too much of a pussy to answer a simple yes or no lol.

    wrong

    the same IG dude concluded that the investigation was predicated on legal means-

    so your “investigated illegally” premise is destroyed already
    No, I'm right. We aren't discussing the entire investigation, we are discussing the FISA warrant obtained on Page. The warrant against Page was obtained illegally with fraudulent do ents and exculpatory evidence hidden from the court.

    4th or 5th time answering you:

    we will not know if the investigation ordered by Barr was truly legitimate until this chapter is closed and an independent panel uncovers everything that Trump and Barr ordered done

    we will not know until it is taken apart piece by piece


    THAT is the answer - right NOW - no one knows what kind of ery Barr orchestrated

    ask the same ANSWERED question again-

    you will be ignored.
    You didn't answer .

    The Inspectors General office is independent you stupid

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    Yep. Desperately need dirt on uncle Joe, who has run for president three times and never placed higher than 4th place in any caucus or primary.


    rube

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    lol

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    Well, if they lied, that's grounds for dismissal, they don't need to quit, they would be let go. I would suspect quitting means there's a disagreement with their superiors.

    Clearly, 18 USC 1001(a) calls for:
    shall be fined under this le, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both....

    that's for each offense. He was found guilty on how many offenses?
    I’m a federal criminal defense attorney. This range shocked me as unduly high given the non-violent nature of the underlying crimes. To provide some perspective, a mul ude of violent crimes come with lower guidelines calculations. For example, if you use a gun during a crime of violence or drug trafficking, the guidelines range is 60 months; if you brandish a gun during the same, the guidelines range is 84 months.
    How the Government Got to Nine Years

    In Stone’s case, the government’s calculation relies on several guidelines enhancements. Generally speaking, certain conduct can increase the offense level guidelines calculation. Here, the base offense level is 14, but with all of the enhancements the government argued for, it jumped to 29.

    One enhancement the government recommended jumped out. The government argued that an eight-point enhancement is warranted because Stone’s obstruction of justice “involved causing or threatening to cause physical injury to a person, or property damage.” The government pointed to two particular comments by Stone to a witness: “Prepare to die, c-cksucker” and him threatening to “take that dog away from you.”

    Standing alone, it’s not clear these rise to the level of a “violent threat” as required by the enhancement. In fact, I would argue that this is not a case where “reasonable minds” can disagree. This enhancement is a stretch. Particularly significant is that the individual who was the recipient of these “threats” testified at trial that he did not seriously believe Stone would follow through on his so-called threats.

    When I did a quick search of D.C. Circuit cases applying this enhancement, I couldn’t find anything. That’s not to say it would never apply, but the infrequency which with the enhancement seems to be used is somewhat telling.
    A Big Jump On a Weak Foundation

    The guidelines contain commentary by its drafters. The commentary is meant to further explain the provisions. Here, the guidelines commentary to this enhancement notes that it should “reflect the more serious form of obstruction.” This likely explains why the enhancement is reserved for the more serious, palpable threats.

    In its submission to the court, the government relies on cases outside its jurisdiction in support of the enhancement, but in none of those cases did the witness testify that he did not take the so-called threats seriously. What’s significant is that this eight-point enhancement increased the guidelines range from 37 to 46 months to 87 to 108 months. That’s a significant jump for a not so solid enhancement.

    While it’s absolutely true that it’s standard practice for the federal government to recommend a guidelines sentence, this begs the question: What’s the appropriate guidelines calculation? As one Twitter user noted, “The Guidelines don’t calculate themselves.”

    Stone’s lawyers objected to each of the enhancements the government proposed. On the eight-level enhancement discussed above, Stone’s lawyers cite numerous cases demonstrating why the enhancement should not apply here, and even quote from a letter to the court by the witness of the so-called threats, wherein he denies that he felt threatened and that he “chalked up [Stone’s] bellicose tirades to ‘Stone being Stone’ All bark no bite!”

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/12...one-is-insane/

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    Lol

    stone threatened the judge in his own ing case

    prosecutors were spot on in their submission

    they are patriots for resigning to show the corruption from trump/barr

    /thread

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    patriot prosecutors

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    /thread no...this thread will be forever bumped as a reminder to you and all the other stupid s that believed the Russiagate hoax

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    speaking of stupid s where is OP djohn2oo8?

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    TSA lashing out all over the place because of the QAnon threads

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    TSA lashing out all over the place because of the QAnon threads
    What happened in the QAnon threads?

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    The scandalous part wasn’t the FBI looking at the oppo research, the scandalous part was when the FBI learned the oppo research was bunk and then lied about that knowledge to the FISA court multiple times in order to obtain a FISA warrant on Page.

    terrible attempt at whataboutism
    Lot of assumptions there to unpack, your "characterization" of the facts lacks credibility imho.





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