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    The hate is all because of what Reck said above. I don't really want to get into spoilers, but people either liked Abby or they hated her. The narrative decision Naughty Dog took was bold and something I've never seen done before, and it just didn't land for some people. For me though, once I got over the grief for Joel, it worked really ing well.
    It was ing brilliant. In the end Abby takes care of her dependent while Ellie runs out on her's. Ellie is just so hard to root for or even sympathize with in this game.

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    no

    I mean yes, that was part of the problem but people had far more issues with manbody as a character and then you play as that thing for 70% of the game. It was a terrible decision.
    It's like 45% of the game Abby, 55% Ellie.

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    EDIT: nm
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    BB, donít read.

    What does her story add overall? What is the overall message from seeing things from her perspective? You donít really get invested in her NPC-inspired backstory because itís a blip. Her relationship with her friends was monotone and boring. The with the tranny is ing stupid. Thereís nothing compelling about her or her story, especially when held up against Joel and Ellie. With the latter, you had an entire gamesí worth of backstory to become invested. The linebacker was rushed and ultimately a waste because you canít get into it - no one is saying her story is compelling for a reason.
    Wow, completely disagree. I thought she was an incredibly interesting character who served to show what a monster Ellie had become by contrast despite Abby having to overcome worse.

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    If you genuinely didn't like her character, that's one thing. But to say it added nothing to the story is false. It's partially the same reason why dogs and NPCs are all given names, why we get to interact with some of the NPCs we kill as Ellie in the second half of the game as Abby, it's why Ellie suffers from PTSD towards the end. We are supposed to feel the weight of every person we kill, to understand that every person is a hero in his or her own story. This isn't Uncharted where you mow down thousands of dudes and then laugh it off at the end.

    But as far as Abby's story, it's all about redemption for herself. She's been where Ellie is and it's led to nothing but pain for herself and those around her. Now she's trying to forgive herself and move on. Ellie is on the downward trajectory obviously. Those who question why she lets Abby go at the end didn't understand the game I guess. At some point she has to let go of the hate for her own sanity. Just as she started to forgive Joel for his secret, she starts to let go of that rage she feels for Abby.
    EDIT: nevermind, you're right. For some reason I was thinking that boat in front of the Catalina Casino was Ellie's, but obviously it was the boat Abby and Lev took.
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    Abby had so many chances to kill her but never wanted to blame Ellie for Joel's actions even after Ellie murdered the love of her life. Getting to be Abby and see what a decent person she was at her core told so much about Ellie and how ed up a person she had become.
    You're trolling at this point.

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    You're trolling at this point.
    Did you really want them to make the same game twice?

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    If you genuinely didn't like her character, that's one thing. But to say it added nothing to the story is false. It's partially the same reason why dogs and NPCs are all given names, why we get to interact with some of the NPCs we kill as Ellie in the second half of the game as Abby, it's why Ellie suffers from PTSD towards the end. We are supposed to feel the weight of every person we kill, to understand that every person is a hero in his or her own story. This isn't Uncharted where you mow down thousands of dudes and then laugh it off at the end.

    But as far as Abby's story, it's all about redemption for herself. She's been where Ellie is and it's led to nothing but pain for herself and those around her. Now she's trying to forgive herself and move on. Ellie is on the downward trajectory obviously. Those who question why she lets Abby go at the end didn't understand the game I guess. At some point she has to let go of the hate for her own sanity. Just as she started to forgive Joel for his secret, she starts to let go of that rage she feels for Abby.
    Something interesting I read. Ellie going back to the empty house probably wasn't the bitter ending it looked like at first where it looks like she just leaves the guitar because she sucks at playing it now with the two missing fingers, her thirst for revenge costing her her only connection to Joel. Turns out she was wearing Dina's bracelet when she went back to the farm and didn't have any of her weapons, while she didn't have that bracelet when chasing Abby down in Santa Barbara. So she likely went back to Jackson, made up with Dina, got her bracelet back, and maybe was just going back to the farm to bring some possessions back home.

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    Something interesting I read. Ellie going back to the empty house probably wasn't the bitter ending it looked like at first where it looks like she just leaves the guitar because she sucks at playing it now with the two missing fingers, her thirst for revenge costing her her only connection to Joel. Turns out she was wearing Dina's bracelet when she went back to the farm and didn't have any of her weapons, while she didn't have that bracelet when chasing Abby down in Santa Barbara. So she likely went back to Jackson, made up with Dina, got her bracelet back, and maybe was just going back to the farm to bring some possessions back home.
    I've read that too, it's definitely open to interpretation. I've also read Part 3 theories. The most plausible is that Abby aids the fireflies in continuing her Dad's work, and Ellie at some point sacrifices herself for the cure - bringing some level of redemption for both characters.

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    I've read that too, it's definitely open to interpretation. I've also read Part 3 theories. The most plausible is that Abby aids the fireflies in continuing her Dad's work, and Ellie at some point sacrifices herself for the cure - bringing some level of redemption for both characters.
    TLOU: Redemption

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    A Plague’s tale is such a great little game. I’m getting strong Thief vibes from it so I looked it up to see if it was made by the same people but, no.

    Love these type of games. Stealth games makes you a better gamer, imo.

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    Gotta say I thought the hardest part of the game was when you were Abby in the parking garage and Tommy was sniping you while sending clickers at you. That was difficult because every time you'd try to use a melee weapon on the other infected Tommy would get a clean shot at you.
    First playthrough I probably had the hardest time during the first bloater encounter because I wasn't expecting it at all second time on grounded I'd say ascending the Seraphite tower to cross the sky bridge with Abby and Lev was a . That and Hillcrest. those dogs man

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    Sounds like we might have a Ragnarok State of Play next month. You gonna try to get PS5 in time to play Ragnarok at launch spurraider21?

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    Sounds like we might have a Ragnarok State of Play next month. You gonna try to get PS5 in time to play Ragnarok at launch spurraider21?
    nice. i've been out of the loop. spurraider jr been around for a few days now

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    nice. i've been out of the loop. spurraider jr been around for a few days now
    Congrats man. When will the boy be ready?

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    Congrats man. When will the boy be ready?
    He can’t even wipe his own ass

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    He can’t even wipe his own ass

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    What a joke, if you buy Resident Evil VIllage on Steam it has stutters from the DRM that are removed from the cracked version. LOL pirates getting a better experience than paying customers.


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    Just started Dragon Quest XI S. Wow didn't know Tokyo's Symphony Orchestra did the soundtrack for this. Can't believe it has taken me until 2021 to play a Dragon Quest game considering this is the series that invented the JRPG as we know it back on the Famicom / NES.

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    My backlog of games are thinning. It’s kind of sad.

    I’m 100%ing these games too just to delay the inevitable when I have zero games to play. I might have to sub to PlayStation Now while I wait for PS5 games to start trickling in.

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    MW has been having Shipment Extended all week. That's a lot of high kill games to farm your weps and camos.

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    He canít even wipe his own ass
    Sounds like he could be a future MVP in the league.

    Congrats SR.

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    My backlog of games are thinning. Itís kind of sad.

    Iím 100%ing these games too just to delay the inevitable when I have zero games to play. I might have to sub to PlayStation Now while I wait for PS5 games to start trickling in.
    I'm in the same boat.

    I bought Alien Isolation for $8 last week and just finished it. All I have left is Metal Gear Solid V but I can't seem to get into it anymore. I'm at about 30% completion. The game feels like a chore, it's so repe ive.

    Time to start hunting a PS5.

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    I'm in the same boat.

    I bought Alien Isolation for $8 last week and just finished it. All I have left is Metal Gear Solid V but I can't seem to get into it anymore. I'm at about 30% completion. The game feels like a chore, it's so repe ive.

    Time to start hunting a PS5.
    If you're getting bored with PS4 games there isn't a whole lot on PS5 that's going to keep you too busy. Demon's Souls is probably worth picking up if you never played it on PS3 and Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart looks awesome, but otherwise Miles Morales is on PS4 and Returnal looks kind of meh IMO. I bought my PS5 mostly to play PS4 games like Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us Part II, Dragon Quest XI S, Final Fantasy VII Remake, etc at 60 fps and to play the two Spiderman games at 60 fps with raytracing. I have yet to play a PS5 game that's not on PS4... well, unless you want to count Astro's Playroom. Which is a pretty cool game though only a few hours long.

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    Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart looks awesome

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