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    We won't get him and I don't want him.

    If it was scenario B, it would be somewhat okay as LMA doesn't get US anywhere. Kicking TP and therefore the Spurs iden y is too much of a price with a team like GS still beeing better. Also not sure if CP3 fits that well. He needs the ball and we are best when the ball is moving.

    Pop can get the best of this team, if there is as few of a change as there has to be. Keeping Mills and Simmons is the way to go.

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    Why is Gasol going to walk away from his option to get paid less to play on another team? I can't see him doing the Spurs any favors that don't give him a benefit.

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    Why is Gasol going to walk away from his option to get paid less to play on another team? I can't see him doing the Spurs any favors that don't give him a benefit.
    He can sign, let`s call it, Duncan`s deal. 2 yrs + 1 with half money guaranteed. He`s got 16 mil PO. By doing 8 + 8 + 4 (or whatever around it) guaranteed he can do Spurs a favour. Assuming he`ll retire after 2nd year, he`ll earn like 6 mil less (he won't get more than 10 mil next year), but he will be part of 2018 Spurs superteam (if this thing is going to happen) at age 39. I don`t think this 6 mil is too much money to leave for guy like Gasol.

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    We won't get him and I don't want him.

    If it was scenario B, it would be somewhat okay as LMA doesn't get US anywhere. Kicking TP and therefore the Spurs iden y is too much of a price with a team like GS still beeing better. Also not sure if CP3 fits that well. He needs the ball and we are best when the ball is moving.

    Pop can get the best of this team, if there is as few of a change as there has to be. Keeping Mills and Simmons is the way to go.
    Wow. So wrong on so many levels. You would rather pay Simmons and Mills potentially a combined $25 million a year instead of paying Chris Paul? What does Patty Mills do better than Chris Paul? NOTHING! And in your scenario he is likely the starting point guard. If we could guarantee Playoff Simmons I would love to keep him. He could be part of the puzzle to get by GS, but you need another bona fide super star. And as far as moving the ball--wake up. The team of the beautiful game is no more. Our offense is heavily dependent on Kawhi isolations. Having a second option that can get his own shot AND has some of the best court vision in the NBA makes us significantly better.

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    I'd like CP3 here but not at 30 something million per season. He's not worth that much too the Spurs. If he wants to come here, he needs to consider taking about 25 Mill per.

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    Lebron wants to play with CP. Get CP then Lebron joins us the following season.

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    Wow. So wrong on so many levels. You would rather pay Simmons and Mills potentially a combined $25 million a year instead of paying Chris Paul? What does Patty Mills do better than Chris Paul? NOTHING! And in your scenario he is likely the starting point guard. If we could guarantee Playoff Simmons I would love to keep him. He could be part of the puzzle to get by GS, but you need another bona fide super star. And as far as moving the ball--wake up. The team of the beautiful game is no more. Our offense is heavily dependent on Kawhi isolations. Having a second option that can get his own shot AND has some of the best court vision in the NBA makes us significantly better.
    And LMA will be better is he is "hidden" behind two good ball handlers. We all saw what happend, when GSW double teamed him. With Paul and Kawhi, it wouldn`t be required of him to create his own shots constantly.

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    Wow. So wrong on so many levels. You would rather pay Simmons and Mills potentially a combined $25 million a year instead of paying Chris Paul? What does Patty Mills do better than Chris Paul? NOTHING! And in your scenario he is likely the starting point guard. If we could guarantee Playoff Simmons I would love to keep him. He could be part of the puzzle to get by GS, but you need another bona fide super star. And as far as moving the ball--wake up. The team of the beautiful game is no more. Our offense is heavily dependent on Kawhi isolations. Having a second option that can get his own shot AND has some of the best court vision in the NBA makes us significantly better.
    Yeah, there is no way in I'd rather pay Mills and Simmons a combined 25 million and tell Chris Paul to off instead. I still want Simmons back, and I'd pay him 8 million in the first year no problem, but if the choice is both Mills and Simmons for 25 or Chris Paul for 25, I'd take Paul. No way am I paying Patty 17 million per, I don't even want to pay him 7 million per season.

    Lebron wants to play with CP. Get CP then Lebron joins us the following season.

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    Confirmed.
    I've actually been thinking about the sequence to get Lebron here after the Cavs lost game 3. It is sign Chris Paul, then if Carmelo Anthony is bought out, or if the Spurs can swing a trade, try and get him here too - that way if you have both Paul and Anthony here (Lebron's two best friends in the NBA), I think you can then make a serious run at him.

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    Yeah, there is no way in I'd rather pay Mills and Simmons a combined 25 million and tell Chris Paul to off instead. I still want Simmons back, and I'd pay him 8 million in the first year no problem, but if the choice is both Mills and Simmons for 25 or Chris Paul for 25, I'd take Paul. No way am I paying Patty 17 million per, I don't even want to pay him 7 million per season.

    I've actually been thinking about the sequence to get Lebron here after the Cavs lost game 3. It is sign Chris Paul, then if Carmelo Anthony is bought out, or if the Spurs can swing a trade, try and get him here too - that way if you have both Paul and Anthony here (Lebron's two best friends in the NBA), I think you can then make a serious run at him.
    I agree about Patty. Our discussions on ST are moot. He is gone, and some team will overpay to get him. Simmons, I think is probably gone, but for +/- 8MM I would like to have him back. I would gamble that he is about to blossom into the player we saw during the WCF.

    I am pretty ambivalent about CP3 tbh. But I have sometimes wondered if LeBron's great (apparently genuine) admiration for Pop and the Spurs organization might inspire him to don the silver and black before Pop retires. That could possibly work very well - especially if he were teamed with Kawhi. In the final analysis, however, I think Lebron is more motivated to place his personal stamp on an organization than he could accomplish under a coach such as Pop or with a dynastic franchise such as the Spurs.

    I cannot imagine that Melo and the Spurs would ever have mutual interest - even if Melo's buddies were inclined to spend a few years in less-than-dazzling San Antonio. Moreover, the idea is mind-boggling that the Spurs would renounce their time-honored modus operandi and maneuver to acquire THREE very high profile FAs.
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    Paul won't get you over the hump vs GS. Save money, build talent from the ground up. Sorry KL, you just have to wait. GS got the rings for next 2-3 years. Lets keep it real people.

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    Paul won't get you over the hump vs GS. Save money, build talent from the ground up. Sorry KL, you just have to wait. GS got the rings for next 2-3 years. Lets keep it real people.
    Wait for what? In 2-3 years kl will be close to 30. That's why Lebron and kd did what they did. Waiting isn't much of an option

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    Wait for what? In 2-3 years kl will be close to 30. That's why Lebron and kd did what they did. Waiting isn't much of an option
    Agreed. We're in win-now mode. Kawhi turns 26 this month. This is his prime and we can't tank full seasons, especially to save up for 2018's weak FA Class. Pay CP3 his money and hope he brings Lebron over after he gets swept next year as well.

    These little role players (Green, Gasol, Mills, Anderson, Dedmon) that the Spurs hopefully won't invest $$$ long-term on won't win you championships while Golden State is around. Kawhi needs stars

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    The only way the Spurs get past the Warriors anytime soon is if Lebron comes (Which I doubt is happening), or Durant or Curry get injured.

    Might as well take a risk on CP3 & as mentioned Durant or Curry get hurt, or Spurs just get really hot at the right time which is more of a realistic possibility.

    I don't think his game is going to decline as much as people are saying it will decline. Jason Kidd was a pretty damn good player until he was 38, and CP3 seems like a modern day Jason Kidd but a better scorer & more athletic. Only thing that worries me that HH mentioned Paul doesn't seem like a very likable teammate, and may be a little too ball dominant.

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    Paul won't get you over the hump vs GS. Save money, build talent from the ground up. Sorry KL, you just have to wait. GS got the rings for next 2-3 years. Lets keep it real people.
    Never. I'm not conceding any of the next several years to GS. The Heat looked unstoppable in 2012, then one year later they get pushed to the brink and the next year they get crushed and the team breaks up.

    Granted, these Warriors are better. But anything can happen.

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    CP3 coming in 2017. LeBron coming in 2018. book it

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    Have to worry about Knicks doing a Melodies trade to LAC on draft night for their crap contracts that Phil is dumb enough to take. That banana boat temptation to stay will kill any hope for the Spurs.

    I also wonder if the recent story about sources believing LeBron would consider the Clippers next summer is actually just some counter intel being ran in order to convince Paul to stay and wait for a chance at LeBron, regardless of validity.

    I've come around on Paul more and more.

    With Pop's minutes restrictions and rest protocols, I could see Paul being what he was this year, all star caliber, for 2 more seasons, pretty good-okay for year 3, and only a Porker in year 4.

    It's a lot better than Mills and the other alternatives.

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    I've come around on Paul more and more.

    With Pop's minutes restrictions and rest protocols, I could see Paul being what he was this year, all star caliber, for 2 more seasons, pretty good-okay for year 3, and only a Porker in year 4.

    It's a lot better than Mills and the other alternatives.
    Bingo. Spurs need a playmaker in the worst way.

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    lol if any NBA player really thinks Melo is the answer to beating GS.....

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    Melo isn't the answer to Golden State, but having a fellow banana man friend might be enough to convince Paul to just take the money and relax in a banana hammock in LA for 5 years and cross his fingers

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    CP3 coming in 2017. LeBron coming in 2018. book it
    this

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    Pelton's numbers seem a little flawed in reasoning. Using basketball Insiders numbers and explanations, keeping Bertans and Murray while stretching Parker plus cap holds and previous stretches gets them to offering about 35.077 or so.

    So yes, less than 35.3 to keep Bertans and Murray.

    But if Paul is interested in joining the Spurs, it's because he's decided to prioritize a chance at winning over money. And if he's doing that, he's not going to force the Spurs to give up Bertans or Murray in a salary dump to make an extra $1 million over 4 years, because that would defeat the whole purpose of joining the Spurs.

    Furthermore that can be reasonably extrapolated to other players.

    A 2017 first rounder on the roster over a minimum roster charge costs Paul about what, 2.5 million over 4 years?

    Simmons about 3.7 million over 4 years.

    If Paul NEEDS his money, he's not coming anyway.

    Especially with Durant already saying in public that he was willing to take less than his max.

    I could understand demanding a raise over what he was due (25 million) to justify the move to his family and such, but if he needs the absolute max, he's not leaving LAC
    They're not moving Parker in any way, shape or form and moving Green somewhat defeats the purpose for both sides.

    This probably only gets done, if Paul is willing to take about $25M on a 1+1 deal, opt out after year 1 and sign a 4 year max.


    Melo isn't the answer to Golden State, but having a fellow banana man friend might be enough to convince Paul to just take the money and relax in a banana hammock in LA for 5 years and cross his fingers

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    CP3 coming in 2017. LeBron coming in 2018. book it
    As well as Giannis Antetokounmpo and Anthony Davis in 2021.

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    Why is Gasol going to walk away from his option to get paid less to play on another team? I can't see him doing the Spurs any favors that don't give him a benefit.
    They probably tell him that if he opts in they look to trade him to create the room for Paul. He might want to have control over where he plays.

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    CP3 coming in 2017. LeBron coming in 2018. book it
    Duly noted and booking....

    Not that far-fetched imo.

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    Thank you so much!

    Pretty awesome that in the first scenario, we would effectively be getting Paul and losing only Parker, Mills, Gasol, and Ginobili. And even then, we could re-sign Ginobili to the veteran minimum after signing Paul if he were amenable to it.

    That's a tradeoff I'm sure most Spurs fans would be willing to make.
    Yeah that would be a great trade off but for the damn Parker factor. The mind says one thing, the heart another, haha.

    , I even think Clips would do a sign and trade with us if it were Pau, Tony, and a few picks that were coming back.

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