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i hope the cavs are just trying to get a lil more. i do not wanna see this deal fall through.
still can't over the kings not resigning IT/other teams not being interested. boston got him on a real good deal that offseason.
i hope the cavs are just trying to get a lil more. i do not wanna see this deal fall through.
still can't over the kings not resigning IT/other teams not being interested. boston got him on a real good deal that offseason.
Cavs are going to get another 1st Rounder, aren't they..
Honestly is pretty bush-league. If it were an undiagnosed issue, then understand trying to walk a trade back. But things like this (and Chandler to the Thunder) should be pre-cleared with doctors.
NBAPA may file a grievance too on Thomas' behalf because this could hurt his FA value if teams think he could be damaged goods.
What do you expect with altman?
Cavs knew Thomas was going to fail that physical tbh...
Hip labrum tear with femoral impingement is exactly what my daughter just had fixed in March. The labrum does not heal once torn and the impingement is frequently the root cause. The corrective surgery involves suturing back the labrum and shaving down a small amount of bone that caused the tear by rubbing on the labrum which is cartilage. It is an out patient arthroscopic procedure which took two hours and you can expect to be on crutches for about a month afterwards. Return to sport best case is probably about 4 months.
She was recently cleared to play soccer again at the 20 week post op mark. As we near 5 months out her hip feels great, small amount of soreness after intense activity which quickly subsides within a day or two. 6 months out may be the 100% normal again mark, we will see. Unfortunately the same problem surfaced in the other hip. However, her pain has not been that much so the doctor cleared her despite an MRI showing a worse tear than the now repaired hip. The doctor said that it is grey as to whether you have to have surgery for a torn hip labrum if it is not bothering you and conservative therapy is an option. He recommended she not wait more than 18 to 24 months to get it fixed, although long term study data is not there for preventing problems like arthritis and hip replacement later in life. My daughter is very happy with her outcome and can't wait to get the other hip fixed right after her school's soccer season on October. After struggling for over a year with this she finally sees a clear path to running pain free again. Many people have these tears though and barely know it, and it is possible to press on at 80-90% level of play for a season or two.
Let's apply some common sense here though. Thomas could have had this fixed in May and be on the very tail end of his surgery rehab protocol. This is a degenerative condition. The cartilage is chewed up and can only worsen not improve. Sinovial fluid leaks out of the broken hip gasket resulting in additional inflammation, cysts, bad stuff. The impingement almost guarantees this will only get worse. The repair surgery has become commonplace the last decade with excellent 100% recovery prospects from what we know so far.
in summary, the decision not to have surgery in May sounds very dubious to me. That was the ideal time as it allowed for a high probability that Thomas could be ready by November start of season. If Thomas hip fails (likely IMO), he would be out 4-6 months recovering. Thomas appears to be a huge question mark at this point for the 2017-18 season as a result.
http://www.12up.com/posts/5447714-re...ampaign=US1638
Interesting trades that did not go through
Sounds like the Spurs have never been seriously in the picture.
Can't compete w/ what other teams are offering.
They crazy and I don't believe Ainge is that stupid. Probably they know LBJ's bolting and don't wanna revert to the LeBronless era
Boston should stay out of this deal. Take this package, or GTFO.
I know Boston will be screwed, but if IT is coming back, they have to extend him right away, without discount. I am not sure if that's what Boston wants, but this is what Boston will get.
Never a good idea to trade with rivals no matter how sweet the deal appears to be on paper. Cavs will have to get out of the East and a Celtics team with Irving will be no easy out. Both Rose and IT have had injurys, who knows if they can stay healthy. Cleveland should take the package only if they know LeBron is 100% not leaving next season, if he's leaving keep Irving. For now cancel trade and see if Irving shows up at training camp, if he doesn't show trade him again. If IT and Rose get injured Boston comes out of the East with Irving.
Only re s want kyrie
Seems pretty clear that Boston would rather not pay I.T. that money. Kyrie is probably better (though I.T. was probably better or at least even last season) and three full years younger at 25 1/2. Boston made it this far, giving up another pick to make it happen doesn't seem that unreasonable, especially if they can keep Brown and Tatum.
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Cleveland, Boston have reached an agreement, league source tells ESPN.
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Boston is sending Cleveland a 2020 second-round pick to complete the Kyrie Irving-Isaiah Thomas trade, league source tells ESPN.
All that fuzz for a second round pick
Cavs we're trying to hold out for a 1st-Round Pick but Ainge wouldn't budge and they have to get the deal done by tomorrow morning.
Here is an interesting article on Isiah Thomas' hip issue:
http://www.newslocker.com/en-us/spor...p-injury/view/
Hopefully I pasted the right link. Basically speculating. Incorrect to say a torn labrum heals on its own, it does not.
The discussion about bone shape or impingement and possible need for invasive rather than arthroscopic surgery is interesting. As the impingement would typically be the cause of the tear, he'd need to get that corrected or the labral repair would be pointless.
Also if this is a bone structure issue the next question to ask is what about the other hip? From what I have seen the problem hip is obviously what you would fix first, but the other one could be a time bomb in its own right and it would be interesting to know if they had scanned it yet.
Last edited by Knoxxx; 09-04-2017 at 06:10 PM.
So what, its like a meniscus, acl, or anything else really. Does not require surgery
The so what is the hip already failed him. I am sure experiences can vary, but our experience with this injury is you are not going to play at 100% again once it reaches that point. I would certainly agree that if running around at 80 to 90% of your normal self is acceptable performance, than a non surgical approach may be something you try. That won't cut it for many pro sports athletes though, especially undersized 5 foot 9 NBA ones.
Also this is not a well understood injury, as the article author could have found with a simple Google that a torn labrum does not heal on its own. In my opinion, you would have to be a special kind of stupid not to get an injury repaired that will not heal, but offers strong prospects of a 100% fix if corrected early enough.
Again there is no 100 fix to any of what i mentioned before. You vastly overrate the word pro and vastly underestimate the human body. Ive torn every ligament in my knee, some multiple times. I can squat, dl and clean more than i ever could as well as jump as high. Im well past my prime, and have had zero surgeries. They are not necessary. Go ask steve kerr
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