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    What a competently made ty movie. Its' like Transformers in space. No depth, no narrative structure, no reason to care. It had a few good ideas that went completely undeveloped so they could spend more time advertising their new line of plush toys. Oh, also, it's Marxist (so communist basically) propaganda pushed by the biggest most powerful media company on earth. The true irony.

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    Just how exactly was Luke going to leave the Island? He ed with Kylo's head in two ways. One, looking as young as he did the night he tried to kill him. And then using Anakin's lightsaber that was destroyed. The point was made very well. He could never get rid of him and he was only fighting himself.
    Getting him off the island is not hard if he's reluctantly, but willing, to go with Rey instead of being a coward like they made him out to be. Now I know why Hamill had such issues with the way they wrote him.

    You don't think physically being there with the green light Saber, the one Kylo saw his life flash before his eyes with, And taking thinking he's going to take Luke out, only to realize Luke gave himself up to the force, would have been and even bigger mind job on Kylo? And that's after surviving the At-At assault.

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    One of the first things Luke says is that it would be stupid to expect him to leave the island and take on the entire First Order by himself. The whole point was for him to distract Kylo Ren from chasing down and snuffing out what's left of the Resistance. Which is hard to do when you're dead after 1000 shots from AT-ATs.
    Lets say he actually did go there, took on the entire order by himself, used force to protect himself from ATATs (why not...leia can fly through space) and is struck down by Kylo Ren like Obi-Wan was (disappearing), creating a distraction so that the rest of the resistance could escape. What difference would it make?

    Why tease us with "Luke is dead! No he's not! Yes he is?!" What was the point of that?

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    Just how exactly was Luke going to leave the Island? He ed with Kylo's head in two ways. One, looking as young as he did the night he tried to kill him. And then using Anakin's lightsaber that was destroyed. The point was made very well. He could never get rid of him and he was only fighting himself.
    X-wing fighter they SHOWED submerged in the water.

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    Is this movie that bad? It's getting killed on user reviews on Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes.

    The critics reviews are loving it though.

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    Is this movie that bad? It's getting killed on user reviews on Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes.

    The critics reviews are loving it though.
    No its not. Hardcore star war fans are just pissed that it wont focus much on the Skywalker clan anymore.

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    Lets say he actually did go there, took on the entire order by himself, used force to protect himself from ATATs (why not...leia can fly through space) and is struck down by Kylo Ren like Obi-Wan was (disappearing), creating a distraction so that the rest of the resistance could escape. What difference would it make?

    Why tease us with "Luke is dead! No he's not! Yes he is?!" What was the point of that?
    Exactly. That's the finish Luke deserved. Not some projection version of himself.

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    Luke Skywalker, the most famous and legendary jedi of all time
    Well only because he was the only Jedi around at the time. He literally just became a Jedi at the end of ROTJ, after a lot of failures and a battle with the Dark Side. To act like his destiny after ROTJ is to be a dominant Jedi badass for 30+ years is completely unrealistic. What’s more realistic would be Luke never being able to achieve the levels of his past successes, and to slowly decline. The Luke we see in TLJ is a completely unromantic, worst case scenario Luke, but it is certainly more believable than the deification of Luke that many people had in their minds.

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    Is this movie that bad? It's getting killed on user reviews on Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes.

    The critics reviews are loving it though.
    Not as good as the critics say, not nearly as bad as the fanboys say. Worth watching.

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    Other than Disney putting annoying little bird aliens in the movie to sell toys, and one incredibly stupid moment with Leia, this movie was terrific. Way better than Force Awakens.
    This. Porgs are mostly stupid, and Leia in space was definitely the weakest moment. But everything people are ing about beyond those two things are everything this franchise needed. Flipped the script and made it new again. Didn’t pander to the fanboys who wanted regergitated beatification nostalgia.

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    Nah, forget the fan boy stuff. It's completely incoherent and 80% of what happens proves to be completely useless to the story.

    Not just a bad Star wars movie, just a bad movie overall.

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    X-wing fighter they SHOWED submerged in the water.
    for 30 years submerged, no droid to run the ship? cmon dude.

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    Nah, forget the fan boy stuff. It's completely incoherent and 80% of what happens proves to be completely useless to the story.

    Not just a bad Star wars movie, just a bad movie overall.
    I was on an edible and it was very coherent.

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    I was on an edible and it was very coherent.
    If this wasn't a Star Wars movie NOBODY would like it. Nobody at all. If this was a DC Comics movie about Superman it would be destroyed in the press.

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    If this wasn't a Star Wars movie NOBODY would like it. Nobody at all. If this was a DC Comics movie about Superman it would be destroyed in the press.
    Why would DC make a movie about Superman in space with lightsabers? Of course nobody would like that.

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    Why would DC make a movie about Superman in space with lightsabers? Of course nobody would like that.
    Way to be intentionally obtuse.

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    This movie is of the same quality as Transformers. The plot, pacing, direction, and humor are baffling.

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    Way to be intentionally obtuse.
    Your post made no sense. It’s not like Star Wars movies haven’t been savaged by critics, and plenty of DC movies have gotten glowing reviews.

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    People just whining for no reason. There's only so many movies that Luke can be the main focus.

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    People just whining for no reason. There's only so many movies that Luke can be the main focus.
    Your imply something that's not even being argued. Nobody is saying Luke should have been the main focus.

    The way he was handled is just ONE for the issues some have with the movie. It was just a poorly written role for such a big character in the saga.

    But Luke acted his ass off on his role and deserves credit for that.

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    Except R2D2 who played him that message (unless he was on millenium falcon....dont remember).

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    1. Redemption story for a once great Jedi, who could never live up to his former glory, failed miserably in training his nephew, and lives in exile hating himself, but then gets one last chance to do something great.

    OR

    2. Ultimate badass kicks everyone’s asses. The End.

    And y’all think #1 is the lazy idea? what you were hoping for Luke’s story to be is literally what Prequels Era George Lucas would have thought up.

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    you can't defend this movie and still have any sort of credibility. Then again, I kinda get that people are just really waking up to how truly damaging and flat out awful TFA was, now that they see that all those plot points that looked like teasers, were really bad writing and none of that was other than fans justifying the movie to themselves. People have been accepting mediocrity for too long.

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    Don’t worry guys, Fast and Furious 9 will be out before you know it. I’m sure Vin Diesel won’t die or have an existential crisis, he’ll just drive a big ass car and blow up like he has for 8 other movies. That should keep you happy.

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    Don’t worry guys, Fast and Furious 9 will be out before you know it. I’m sure Vin Diesel won’t die or have an existential crisis, he’ll just drive a big ass car and blow up like he has for 8 other movies. That should keep you happy.
    Why so angry about this?

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