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So all rules are pretty much the same? We shouldn't follow them?
I think he's trying to compare a "rule" to a "rule". I undertand his logic, extreme, but understandable.
To clear up the confusion, Stern should just come out and say what he really means:
"Stop dressing so black"
So all rules are pretty much the same? We shouldn't follow them?
"I understand what they're trying to do with the hats and do-rags and jerseys and stuff. That's fine."
I love Duncan as much as the next Spurs fan, but this sounds a little Uncle Tom-ish.
No. Sometimes rules are "dumb" or worse.
If you don't beleive in a rule, then you should work on changing it.
This is what we're discussing.
Rules stemming from possible cultural/racial prejudices should most certainly be debated... or at least addressed.
Now, that's not to say I don't think a lot of players are unhappy with the rule simply because of its inconvenience to them personally (Camby), but I think enough players (like Iverson) have brought up the racial undertones of this rule that we should pause to consider some of the NBA's reasoning and whether it benefits society.
Some rules are dumb. No doubt. However, they are in place for certain reasons. This dress code is just to have the NBA appear more professional. The people who represent the Players who are players agreed to it.
If Timmy isn't playing one night, why can't he just wear his uniform and pop not play him?
Wouldnt that be funny?
Crutches or a huge kneee brace/cast and a player in uniform (not Timmy though please God alalalalalal)?
Heheh
I don't care if every player signed the agreement himself, the NBA should not perpetuate the idea that one's "style" defines the person. If you are trying to be a role model for the young and/or underpriviledged, it's better to relate to them than to belittle them.
yeah,they related to them in Detroit last year,really well.
There are rules that most of society agree with to be able to live in a community, and there are other rules that don't hold overwhelming support, it's a question of common sense.
Killing is a crime: pretty much everyone thinks it's a good rule.
Other issues are not that clear, as taxes, civil rights, freedom of speech, etc.
And each rule at their time, as Marcus posted, back in the day segregation was seen as a good rule, at least by the white people. Slavery was the form of trade since the Roman Empire, so what? Should I look for some slaves in the market because of that? Since the Nazis declared in laws that Jews were an inferior race, should I shot myJewishself?
A dress code is pure nonsense from my point of view, I don't see what positives will come out of imposing people what should they wear. Yeah, future basketball players will be less "thuggish" because they see that Ron Artest wears a suit and a tie on national TV. Stern is just making noise but he isn't proposing any real solutions with this.
Actually, is there a real problem with "thuggish" players? If there is, I wouldn't blame it on their clothes. It's quite simplistic, like people blaming serial killers because they watch violent TV shows or listen to satanic records backwards.
It's clear why this rule was ins uted. The NBA is trying to appeal to Middle America. Middle America doesn't regard baggy shirts and pants as casual wear. MA regards shorts and sandals as that. You know, if MLB or the NHL ins uted a ban on wearing shorts and sandals they'd be ridiculed. When the NBA does it for another form of casual wear, well, it's all a matter of the players learning how to dress 'appropriately' and by golly, dress like everyone else (:wink :wink) when they go to work. Right Frank? John? Mark? Luke? Sam? Bob?
Last edited by Marcus Bryant; 10-19-2005 at 03:30 PM.
I'm totally in favor of the dress code.
PS. I'm sure Kevin Willis will now be expanding his buisness......
I love Tim Duncan but i tell you if he sits in the locker room on a night he is not playing because of this i will lose a load of respect for him. What if Pop himself had implemented this, would he still be whining about this i doubt it. Pop would never allow him to do that anyway they are both all about the team and not individuals and Pop would rip him a new you know what if he pulled that crap.
Pop couldn't care less what a player wears, so that point is moot. But I really think Tim just said that in the heat of the moment. I hope we never had to see Tim on the sidelines this season, but IF we do I for one hope he sticks to his opinions and doesn't conform to this nonsense.
My point had nothing to do with pop's opinion about tim's attire it was about Tim basically saying he is willing to seperate himself from the team as a result of this, that is unacceptable. Pop would not be happy with tim for acting out at the expense of the team was my point and yes i consider tim in the locker room and not on the bench supporting his teamates a detriment to the team.
But you were saying how if Pop had implemented this, would Tim still complain...which led to your sentences of Pop not allowing Tim to seperate himself from the team. But Pop doesn't care about dress codes, so he wouldn't be implementing this in the first place...was what I was trying to say. I see your point of Tim not supporting the team on the bench hurting the team overall...and I can agree with that. But like I said, it was probably just said in the heat of the moment. But if it wasn't, and Tim DOES try to go for the lockerroom instead of the bench...well...I'd be dissapointed, but it's hard to lose respect for a great player like Tim.
Timmy will always be my favorite player, but if you are making 18 mil a year to play basketball, you just shouldn't complain about stupid things like this. If tim was a baseball player for the yankees it is far worse their team rules are wearing suits and ties on all road trips, hair no longer than your ears, no beards or long sideburns, just clean shaven or neatly trimmed mustache. That is far worse but you are not going to hear guys like Jeter and A-rod complain because they know fans do not want to hear athletes making millions whining and complaining about something so stupid.
I was just looking at this comparison, is Rip carrying a plastic bag with his !???
Right, if only Ron Artest were wearing a sport coat, he wouldn't be a nutcase.yeah,they related to them in Detroit last year,really well.
guess who was MVP of last years Finals???I was just looking at this comparison, is Rip carrying a plastic bag with his !???
But if it's "so stupid" then why have such strict rules at all? And I keep reading "well they are making $XXmillion dollars a year they should just do it", what does it matter how much money they are making? Does having money mean you shouldn't have the right to express yourself?
What does what you wear have to do with how talented you are on the court???
damn, david sterne said that any player who doesnt want to comply with the new dress code should consider what they want to do for the rest of their life, because they wont be playing in the NBA
Stern's just trying to echo the sentiment of the people he's trying to impress. I'd like to see him try to kick Allen Iverson out of the league.
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