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The only "racism" is the racism I see by the people willing to make the logical jump that the clothing being banned is "black" clothing.
Microsoft and Apple would be rinky-dink places nobody ever heard of if things had been managed by the HR gurus of this board.
The only "racism" is the racism I see by the people willing to make the logical jump that the clothing being banned is "black" clothing.
Yep, that's what premeditated all of this.
Tim would rather be in the locker room than in sport coat and dress jeans with his team on the bench?
Put on a casual sport and a pair of dress jeans, what's the big deal? I assume he can wear boots if he wants?
I don't have a problem with the NBA trying clean up their image. If you want to dress up like a gang-banger (I know Tim doesn't) that's fine just do it on your own time. They have the entire off-season and off days.
Spoiled little brats!
thats the stupid part joche
what does a gangbanger dress like?
I work around them in what used to be known as the "projects" no problems.Mookie: thats the stupid part joche
what does a gangbanger dress like?
Pick one mook
One is the image the NBA wants and the other is the image it doesn't want. Racist? Not at all. Professional, that's the image.
What other logical jump could possibly be made?
Do you really think the Brent Barrys and Steve Nashes of the league are the ones who caused this attempt to "clean up" the league?
The clothes at the heart of the ban aren't so because they are worn by black players... it's because they simply look tacky and unprofessional. The difference between correlation and causation applies here. If Steve Nash and Brent Barry decided to dress like thugs, it wouldn't make David Stern want to reconcider the ban.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
So . . . Steve Nash doesn't dress like a thug?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
So . . . what is your definition of a "thug"?
yeah joche
iverson looks like a thug
in that
longsleeve white shirt...
mafioso wear suits
Like it or not 9 companies out 10 would not even let you in the building for an interview in anything but a suit and tie, genius or not appearances are a big issue in the corporate world. I'm not saying it defines who you are but it is expected.
Where the were you guys when I was getting my ASS pounded by proclaiming that this wasn't an issue of race. Yeah, it's rediculous. But the dress code only scratches the surface. In effect, it is as Kori said (I think) "a band aid". I agree with the Jordan/Iverson comparision. In my opinion, most urban appearal, NOT ALL, does look tacky. At least on me. Haha. But, I'm sure others would say I dress tacky. I wear my jeans below my hips with a studded belt. I prefer t-shirts, will go with the occasional polo. Wear Etnies Shoes. Lip pierced. Hmmm....BUT, I have NEVER, not once, shown up to an interview in my causual tire. At the least, I will wear a nice pair of slacks, dress shirt, and tie. I would like to know who in here has gone to an interview in jeans and a t-shirt AND GOT THE JOB. I want to know cause I would like to apply there. Point is this isn't about race, it's a policy to improve the image of the NBA. Whether it will be sucessful or not is yet to determined. I for one, would not mind if the NBA did clean up the image a little. Seriously, if I saw someone dressed similar to how I dress casually during an important press conference, I would be a little disapointed. I think this policy is, in a large part, but not the majority of reason, to appeal to a larger audience. First impressions are very important in our society. Yes? Do we agree on this? This policy is not stating that "urban wear" is the root of all evil. They just want their players to present themselves in a fashionable manner in which they approve of. Plain and simple. I don't understand why some can't take things for the way they are. I'm not saying everything, but somethings. It seems that some believe everyone is out to screw them. The popular term being "TRUST NO ONE". Again, I am not grouping a majority, I am saying SOME. I am interested though to see how effective this policy is.
Don't people know that in the US Congress, Congressmen/women dress with baggy pants, t-shirts, flip-flops and chains. Bush does it all the time too, especially when he is giving a press conference, or when he is signing a Bill.
Clerks at banks usually use ragged shirts; so do people at award shows. Not to mention Kobe when he was on trial. He had the the most untidy, unprofessional clothes I've ever seen (dress codes at work . . . nahh . . . but when prison is a possibility . . . you betchah!).
Dress codes are stupid. Next time I'm invited to a black tie wedding I'll wear nothing but a thong, and if I ever win the Nobel peace prize (yes, there is a remote possibility!), I'll accept the award in my underpants.
And to the next funeral, I'll show my respects in a nice "Che Guevara" shirt, camouflage pants and a red berret (the "Comandante Chavez" look).
Yeah, dress codes are stupid. Rules don't apply to rebels; cool guys don't dress in a suit.
I believe "tacky and unprofessional" are subjective. And I find that urban-styled clothing tends to register higher on the "tacky and unprofessional" scale with a lot of people than other styles of casual clothing.The clothes at the heart of the ban aren't so because they are worn by black players... it's because they simply look tacky and unprofessional.
Who defines tacky and why do they care so much?
Last edited by Spurminator; 10-20-2005 at 09:29 PM.
Of course you would.I would like to know who in here has gone to an interview in jeans and a t-shirt AND GOT THE JOB. I want to know cause I would like to apply there.
Yet you criticise NBA players for wanting (basically) the same thing.
Smeagol believes that if most people live by a certain standard, then everybody should.
How does this not perpetuate the image that the NBA is full of gangsta drug using, violent thugs....when some of them go out of their way to talk like one, dress like one, and act like one?
It's like that one bad kid that made the whole class miss recess.
And I really like Iverson, btw.
Yes Spurm, I believe in standards.
Correct and incorrect, acceptable and unacceptable, right and wrong (and the shades in between).
It's funny that one of the most conservative guys in the NBA is also one of the most pissed when it comes to the dress code. Maybe if they'd quit letting High School Kids come into the NBA they wouldn't have to treat everyone in the league like babies.
I believe in standards too...
...for stuff that matters. Seriously, are you attaching morality to how one dresses?
Is Iverson dressed like a thug, or do some thugs dress like Allen Iverson?I would like to know who in here has gone to an interview in jeans and a t-shirt AND GOT THE JOB. I want to know cause I would like to apply there.
No.
Tidy and untidy.
How's that?
Tidy like bathing daily? Clean clothes?
Preofessional and unprofessional.
I know, you'll ask "What's professional?"
And we will go like this forever.
Bottom line is: abiding by the dress code the NBA is imposing is so simple it is not worth the energy we are spending on the topic.
If people who make $50K per year and work 50 hrs/week complain about it, I would be asking them "What's wrong with you, dude?"
If guys like AI and Timmy complain about it, when they are living in a dream, words cannot explain the state of awe I'm left in.
Allen Iverson is dressed better than any of the guys in the following pictures, yet I 100% guarantee none of you will say they look like "thugs" . . . Gee I Wonder Why?
Craig Biggio:
Dirk Nowitzki:
Mark Cuban:
Andei Kirilenko:
Mark Madsen and Andrei Kirilenko on the following web page:
(BTW, for fun, go to there and pick out which ones are the "thugs").
http://www.angelfire.com/magic2/sportscollection/
Because you won't answer. No one will. You're all stuck in this mindset that there's some kind of virtue in dressing a certain way. No one seems to want to admit that THEY judge people by how they dress, but so many of you are willing to say, "Well others think that way, so that's how it is." It's a copout, of you ask me. it's cowardice. And it's a vicious cycle.I know, you'll ask "What's professional?"
And we will go like this forever.
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