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    Is Kawhi even traveling with the team for the RRT? In previous years when injured players would still tag along to build chemistry and whatnot but I didn't see Kawhi or Tony at the GS game. But I did notice Rudy Gay in the second row. If he's not even attempting to be with the team that's more telling than anything Pop or his camp says when pressed for comments.
    Yup. He’s not with the team. It also didn’t give me a good sign for his recovery. He’s still unwell.

    Rudy and Dijon were both with the team. Rudy is getting ready to get back. He was seen doing drills pregame and shooting.

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    He ain't coming back.

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    If that is the case we should have just tanked the season lol. What a waste.

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    ^ or add SF depth through trades.

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    ^ or add SF depth through trades.
    But, but, but when Kawhi and Gay are healthy tho'!

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    What a strange injury. I can't believe he is healthy but refusing to play. Since he is due a big pay day, that would be shooting yourself in the foot. I wouldn't be surprised if he never comes back. Bad luck for the Spurs, but not that unusual. There have been many NBA players over the year who had their careers cut short from body breakdown. Just because you have a MVP talent player is no guarantee that they will have a long productive career. Grant Hill, Derrick Rose, Brandon Roy, or any numbers of players who didn't last more than 3-4 seasons.

    On the other hand maybe he comes back and returns to form. They might just be making sure he is all the way healthy for the playoffs. When people buy lottery tickets they know they won't win, but people still believe.

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    If Kawhi really is as unhappy and wants out like some reports and posters have been saying then I hope he's spoken to PATFO about his discontent and possible intentions of leaving.

    Jabari Young's tweet about Kawhi being different than Timmy and Spurs needing to realize that are telling of how PATFO is either in denial or just in the dark as to how Kawhi feels. Pop has been saying for years he's the future of the franchise. So Kawhi and his camp should have been having frank discussions with the Spurs about how they see his s om progressing. If he's been quiet and let the Spurs think it's all good then he is wrong in the situation. If he has expressed everything and PATFO ignored it then this mess is on them.

    For the sake of the franchise I hope they get everything together and take a long and honest look at what's been developing around the league.

    It may be time for Spurs to really be on the its a business rather than we're a family end of the spectrum cause the old way of making personnel decisions hasn't kept up with this new NBA. If they want to win they need to make decisions like they do and put the whole Spurs culture & corporate knowledge thing on a lower priority cause these millennial players are totally different than Timmy, Tony, & Manu era players.

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    If Kawhi really is as unhappy and wants out like some reports and posters have been saying then I hope he's spoken to PATFO about his discontent and possible intentions of leaving.

    Jabari Young's tweet about Kawhi being different than Timmy and Spurs needing to realize that are telling of how PATFO is either in denial or just in the dark as to how Kawhi feels. Pop has been saying for years he's the future of the franchise. So Kawhi and his camp should have been having frank discussions with the Spurs about how they see his s om progressing. If he's been quiet and let the Spurs think it's all good then he is wrong in the situation. If he has expressed everything and PATFO ignored it then this mess is on them.

    For the sake of the franchise I hope they get everything together and take a long and honest look at what's been developing around the league.

    It may be time for Spurs to really be on the its a business rather than we're a family end of the spectrum cause the old way of making personnel decisions hasn't kept up with this new NBA. If they want to win they need to make decisions like they do and put the whole Spurs culture & corporate knowledge thing on a lower priority cause these millennial players are totally different than Timmy, Tony, & Manu era players.
    If Leonard is unhappy and just dogging it with this injury he can run out the door, as fast as he can with that bad leg.. He better be in a lot of pain, for all this time out..

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    If Leonard is unhappy and just dogging it with this injury he can run out the door, as fast as he can with that bad leg.. He better be in a lot of pain, for all this time out..
    I don't see him coming back this year. We won't know the truth about what's the deal with Kawhi until the summertime. Once the season is over there will be more stories that will be leaked out about this situation and then the truth will finally come out.

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    If he's just refusing to play because he wants out then I'd like to see him leave. Eric Gordon did that with the Pelicans. That's just a biatch move that I can't respect. If you're getting paid millions to play a game that people play for fun, the least you can do is show up.

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    If he's just refusing to play because he wants out then I'd like to see him leave. Eric Gordon did that with the Pelicans. That's just a biatch move that I can't respect. If you're getting paid millions to play a game that people play for fun, the least you can do is show up.
    I feel the same if that's the case

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    There is a not infinitesimal chance that Kiwi has already played his last game in a Spur uniform tbqh

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    Let me get this right.... No one knows if he's hurt, He's keeping the Spurs in the dark, No one knows if anything is true about if he's unhappy with the roster, He's had multiple opinions that says he's fine, and Jabri Parker is saying he's not Tim Duncan an the Spurs needs to accept that or else??? Are those the facts we know?

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    There's 25 games left in the season. I'm leaning really hard towards him not coming back, just rehab his injury and return next year hopefully stronger.

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    Let me get this right.... No one knows if he's hurt, He's keeping the Spurs in the dark, No one knows if anything is true about if he's unhappy with the roster, He's had multiple opinions that says he's fine, and Jabri Parker is saying he's not Tim Duncan an the Spurs needs to accept that or else??? Are those the facts we know?
    Jabari Parker? The dude who plays for the Bucks? Didn't know he was that close to the Spurs and the situation.

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    Jabari Parker? The dude who plays for the Bucks? Didn't know he was that close to the Spurs and the situation.
    Lol, you know who I'm talking about ass

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    There is a not tiny possibility that there is real impactful soreness/stiffness that makes playing and workouts painful and hard, but could be played through. That sort of thing is really frustrating because you feel about 65% can play about 85% and have good days and bad days. With amateur sports you just sit till it heals. As the face of a pro basketball franchise you have so much pressure to play. It just lingers and doesn't really get better, and because you aren't right your play suffers. That is the sort of thing that can have you emotionally lashing out in frustration as well. Add in rumours and conspiracy and you feel awfully isolated and friendless.

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    There is a not tiny possibility that there is real impactful soreness/stiffness that makes playing and workouts painful and hard, but could be played through. That sort of thing is really frustrating because you feel about 65% can play about 85% and have good days and bad days. With amateur sports you just sit till it heals. As the face of a pro basketball franchise you have so much pressure to play. It just lingers and doesn't really get better, and because you aren't right your play suffers. That is the sort of thing that can have you emotionally lashing out in frustration as well. Add in rumours and conspiracy and you feel awfully isolated and friendless.
    Lol real sad story. Hes making millions to sit on his ass and cry. Trade

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    Lol real sad story. Hes making millions to sit on his ass and cry. Trade
    Trade for what? You aren't going to get close to value? He hasn't been publicly crying, there's just stupid statements from relatives, some team statements on rumour control and a silent Leonard. Playing at 75-80% hurts towards a new contract and isn't great for the team, it also might set- back rehab. Sitting rehabbing and keeping silent sounds like the right option but is hard with an uncertain timetable.

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    Trade for what? You aren't going to get close to value? He hasn't been publicly crying, there's just stupid statements from relatives, some team statements on rumour control and a silent Leonard. Playing at 75-80% hurts towards a new contract and isn't great for the team, it also might set- back rehab. Sitting rehabbing and keeping silent sounds like the right option but is hard with an uncertain timetable.
    I agree with all of that except the "keeping silent" part. If the injury was the issue, I would think Kawhi would simply make a statement and put it to rest. His continued silence makes me think there is something beyond the injury. Maybe it's the looming supermax contract negotiation. But maybe it does have something to do with Kawhi's feelings about the roster and the opportunity the Spurs provide to win 'ships.
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    Trade for what? You aren't going to get close to value? He hasn't been publicly crying, there's just stupid statements from relatives, some team statements on rumour control and a silent Leonard. Playing at 75-80% hurts towards a new contract and isn't great for the team, it also might set- back rehab. Sitting rehabbing and keeping silent sounds like the right option but is hard with an uncertain timetable.
    This is the same thinking with Pop. "Who you gonna replace him with!?"

    At some point, it's just about moving on to a fresh start, instead of just lazily limping the franchise along for sake of comfort and old times sake, or det culture.

    If Kawhi is really hurt, I mean really hurt and won't ever fully recover, you're going to have to move on at some point. If Kawhi is sabotaging the team (which I don't believe he is) then you're going to have to move on. If Kawhi has no pain tolerance to play through what most players have to play through, you're going to have to move on. What if he just doesn't want to play for this franchise anymore? You're going to have to move on. We've already seen the introverted type of person he is, hes not easy to read or get through to.

    It's not an easy or light decision, but I'm mean, what are you supposed to do? I hate the thought of even trading Kawhi, but if any of those things are true, what the are you supposed to do?

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    Trade for what? You aren't going to get close to value? He hasn't been publicly crying, there's just stupid statements from relatives, some team statements on rumour control and a silent Leonard. Playing at 75-80% hurts towards a new contract and isn't great for the team, it also might set- back rehab. Sitting rehabbing and keeping silent sounds like the right option but is hard with an uncertain timetable.
    What is his value? No one knows because no one is talking. The last time i have heard, he has what a QUAD injury? A quad injury has him out the WHOLE year? If kl is as great as some people on here think, then he should fetch a pretty penny injured or not

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    What type of athlete suffers some type a injury a year ago and doesn’t recover from it at all? Not even playable ? I love KL’s game he is awesome but it’s time to come real. You have people finding out they have cancer and coming back a year later. You have Paul George having his leg broke in half ( pretty much) and playing if not good great. What’s the real deal?

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    What type of athlete suffers some type a injury a year ago and doesn’t recover from it at all? Not even playable ? I love KL’s game he is awesome but it’s time to come real. You have people finding out they have cancer and coming back a year later. You have Paul George having his leg broke in half ( pretty much) and playing if not good great. What’s the real deal?
    There's even talk about Gordon Hayward coming back. The dude broke his leg earlier in the season ffs.

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    There's even talk about Gordon Hayward coming back. The dude broke his leg earlier in the season ffs.
    DeBustelo Russell came back a month or two after knee surgery, Jabari Parker came back from a torn knee in less than a year, LaVine too.

    This injury stuff smells like bs.

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