That BS was Sacramento/Lakers '02 WCF all over again

[Fabbs]

Here we are Tom. Do us. Then Goodell can do us. Then the entire PatRef krew.

[Avante]

Mackeys best season was 829 yards and 9 touchdowns (never eclipsed 1000 yards or had double digit touchdowns)....Gronk has had 4 seasons with 1000+ yards and 5 seasons with 10+ touchdowns.

The stats say Avante is re ed.

Dude, Jim Brown......fullback, ok? Things were different in the days of John Mackey ok rookie? TE's didn't do what Mackey was doing, ok? You don't get....era....do ya.

There is a reason the best TE in the country wins ....THE JOHN MACKEY AWARD.


This is what those who know the game think about John Mackey.

[Avante]

14 game seasons

though yeah, even on a per game basis, he's not really close. career high of 59 ypg would be gronk's worst year outside his rookie season (when he still scored 10 TD's)

What do fullbacks do today? Would you believe the stud backs back in te day were mostly fullbacks? How about ancient ...slot receivers? Pass rushing linebackers?

In his day John Mackey was FAR more revered than any TE today. Once again.....unless you were there and watched the guy play and the impact he made....then....you won't get it. Give me the name of a TE "before" John Mackey?




1) John Mackey

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1. Our top tight end in the history of the NFL goes to John Mackey of the Baltimore Colts.
   In 1963, Mackey had the distinction of being drafted by both the NFL and the AFL. At the NFL draft, the Baltimore Colts drafted him in the second round with the No. 19 overall pick, while in the AFL draft, Mackey was selected in the fifth round by the New York Jets with the No. 35 overall pick.
   Mackey signed with Baltimore and played for the Colts from 1963-1971. He also played in 1972 for the San Diego Chargers before he retired.
   If you check out Mackey's brief bio at the NFL Hall of Fame, you will note that they credit him with being the prototype of the modern NFL tight end. Mackey combined the strength to be a solid blocker, but the speed needed to run away from the secondary and the power to break many tackles.
   If you ever watch tape of him, he is constantly breaking one tackle after another following his catches. Mackey wasn't huge, as he went 6'2" and 224 pounds, but he was definitely strong. In 1966, Mackey had six touchdown catches that went for more than 50 yards, which showcased his breakaway speed.
   The NFL All-Decade teams didn't include listing any tight ends until the 1960s was unveiled. The very first tight end that the NFL voted on to an all-time team was John Mackey, and he was the only tight end that made the NFL All-Time Decade Team of the 1960s.
   He was named to five Pro Bowl teams and missed just one NFL game in his 10-year career. During his career, Mackey caught 331 passes for 5,236 yards and scored 38 touchdowns. He was a member of the Colts team that defeated the Dallas Cowboys in Super Bowl V.
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Mackey has been included in several lists of great NFL players. In 1999, The Sporting News ranked Mackey at 48 on their list of "The 100 Greatest Football Players."^[6] He also placed at number 42 on the NFL Network's list of the "Top 100 Football Players" in 2010.^[3][7]

[monosylab1k]

I actually agree with Avante here. Considering the era he played in, Mackey was damn good. Gronk is the most physically intimidating offensive skill position player maybe in NFL history, but the guy gets hurt way too much, and misses way too many important games, for him to really be the GOAT tight end.

Like if Shaq missed 30-40 games every year, and Kobe won les while Shaq was hurt, we’d think differently of Shaq while acknowledging his dominance. At this point Gronk is a liability for his team, where they have to limit themselves offensively to protect his fragile body, and while he’s the most dominant force in the game by far when healthy and fully unleashed, it’s incredibly rare to see that anymore.

[Avante]

I actually agree with Avante here. Considering the era he played in, Mackey was damn good. Gronk is the most physically intimidating offensive skill position player maybe in NFL history, but the guy gets hurt way too much, and misses way too many important games, for him to really be the GOAT tight end.

Like if Shaq missed 30-40 games every year, and Kobe won les while Shaq was hurt, we’d think differently of Shaq while acknowledging his dominance. At this point Gronk is a liability for his team, where they have to limit themselves offensively to protect his fragile body, and while he’s the most dominant force in the game by far when healthy and fully unleashed, it’s incredibly rare to see that anymore.

The most dominate force/intimidating offensive player I've ever seen was the 250 pound fullback Cookie Gilchrist (Bills) back in the early days of the AFL. Keep in mind the NFL had all the great defensive players so here is this 250 pound wrecker running over defenses. And the guy had a real bad at ude, a very bad hombre. He was the first AFLer to rush for over 1000 yards in a season.

But when it comes to being just a monstrosity, that was Mack Lee Hill another fullback, he was a Chief. This guy ran as if if he hit the grown something bad would happen he fought like some mad man to stay upright. In his short two season career he averaged over 5 yards a carry....between the tackles. He banged up a knee.....died on the operating table. He was called "The Truck" for a reason.

Gilchrist went straight from HS to the CFL.

Hill played at Southern U in the SWAC, because of an injury his senior season he went undrafted.

Check out that average

http://www.nfl.com/player/mackleehil...35/careerstats


A case can be made that Packer WR Don Hutson was the most dominate offensive player ever, he was on a whole other level than anyone in his day. A lot of historians put Hutson with Jerry Rice on the All Time team.