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    That is not correct. The offer to Morris required finding $10 million per year for two years. Morris was not demanding that Bertans had to leave. He was interested in the money, is all.

    It was PATFO who screwed up, by creating a roster so wonky, and a financial situation so wonky, that moving Bertans was the only way they could find to come up with $10 mil. A well run organization would have had other options.
    Oh please. The Spurs run one of the cleanest, most short term cap sheets in the league. Having to offload a $5M salary to sign a very good FA is NOTHING in today's NBA. That's like 4% of the cap.

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    Bad premise. You go after the big fish, FIRST, and that was Morris. Getting Morris required offloading Bertans. I'm not sure how many times we need to go over this, but Morris ed us, not PATFO.
    you're right. we had to go after the big fish FIRST.

    which apparently was demarre carroll, a guy who can't crack the rotation

    it was only because we had committed to carroll that part of the MLE had been used, which is why we were into a position where we had to make a move to try to get morris. so we unloaded bertans. had we not bid against ourselves for a player that cant get on the floor, we could have just given the full MLE to morris in the first place without having to make a corresponding move

    "big fish carroll"

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    Forbes doesn't even come close to being the type of player Bertans is, neither on defense nor on offense. Forbes is, at best, a 15 minutes guy. Bertans is a high end, championship level role player. A closer, a top 5 guy.

    And this is exactly what all the fuss is about: Pop and the Spurs making a huge judgement mistake and choosing the lesser player over the much better one. It's like if back on the day, the Spurs would have chosen Sean Marks over Robert Horry.

    And this is not the first time they make this type of mistake, they have been making these type of mistakes (mistakes that most fans knew were awful decisions from the get go. No hindsight needed) for a while now. The Parker extension, The Mills extension, the Gasol extension, trading for DeRozan, etc, etc, etc. All these decisions have led to this very bad present, tbh.
    Man, so many of these alternate timelines are just premised in bull . There are 2 (or more) parties in a trade - they all have to be satisfied for it to go through. So yeah, Washington, or whoever, is going to want something valuable for renting their capspace - not Belinelli's old ass. And Forbes's contract is simply not big enough to matter in this case - trading him would not have bought SAS the cap space they needed.


    nobody seems to bring up the fact that the Spurs actually traded Bertans for Carroll who's glued to the bench and can't even get rotation minutes while earning the same amount of salary
    I know they made that move to sign Morris, but they could've just not signed Carroll at all and that move wouldn't have to be made
    This is untrue. The spurs had already agreed to a deal with Carroll when the opportunity to sign Morris came up (after he came up blank on the larger contract he was hoping for). The PATFO needed the capspace to re-open their negotiations with Carroll (and offer him a different and slightly better contract for his trouble), so they could spend the full MLE on Morris... Unless they were willing to do to Carroll what Marcus did to them... Which presumably they weren't.

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    Man, so many of these alternate timelines are just premised in bull . There are 2 (or more) parties in a trade - they all have to be satisfied for it to go through. So yeah, Washington, or whoever, is going to want something valuable for renting their capspace - not Belinelli's old ass. And Forbes's contract is simply not big enough to matter in this case - trading him would not have bought SAS the cap space they needed.


    This is untrue. The spurs had already agreed to a deal with Carroll when the opportunity to sign Morris came up (after he came up blank on the larger contract he was hoping for). The PATFO needed the capspace to re-open their negotiations with Carroll (and offer him a different and slightly better contract for his trouble), so they could spend the full MLE on Morris... Unless they were willing to do to Carroll what Marcus did to them... Which presumably they weren't.
    yup.

    carroll originally had agreed to a 2 year deal where the funds would come out of the MLE

    when the spurs realized that morris could be had for the full MLE, they didn't want to reneg on Carroll, so they instead decided to turn his acquisition from a MLE signing to a sign-and-trade. the only problem is, a sign and trade requires the deal to be at least 3 years, whereas carroll's previous agreement was 2 years. so they gave him a partially guaranteed 3rd year.

    the issue this creates is why the spurs jumped the gun to strike an agreement with carroll which occupied the MLE before exhausting all other options for the MLE, like a marcus morris. that looks especially bad given that carroll isnt even in the rotation. means they didnt properly vet him.

    RC Drunkford, iirc, has also raised that instead of trading bertans to facilitate the carroll sign and trade, they could have packaged a pick with marco for a similar salary

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