How to rig an election

[RandomGuy]

It's the suppression, silly.

On election night, Anthony was shocked to see Trump carry Wisconsin by nearly 23,000 votes. The state, which ranked second in the nation in voter participation in 2008 and 2012, saw its lowest turnout since 2000. More than half the state’s decline in turnout occurred in Milwaukee, which Clinton carried by a 77-18 margin, but where almost 41,000 fewer people voted in 2016 than in 2012. Turnout fell only slightly in white middle-class areas of the city but plunged in black ones. In Anthony’s old district, where aging houses on quiet tree-lined streets are interspersed with boarded-up buildings and vacant lots, turnout dropped by 23 percent from 2012. This is where Clinton lost the state and, with it, the larger narrative about the election.

Clinton’s stunning loss in Wisconsin was blamed on her failure to campaign in the state, and the depressed turnout was attributed to a lack of enthusiasm for either candidate. “Perhaps the biggest drags on voter turnout in Milwaukee, as in the rest of the country, were the candidates themselves,” Sabrina Tavernise of the New York Times wrote in a post-election dispatch that typified this line of analysis. “To some, it was like having to choose between broccoli and liver.”


A New Study Shows Just How Many Americans Were Blocked From Voting in Wisconsin Last Year
The impact of Wisconsin’s voter ID law received almost no attention. When it did, it was often dismissive. Two days after the election, Talking Points Memo ran a piece by University of California-Irvine law professor Rick Hasen under the headline “Democrats Blame ‘Voter Suppression’ for Clinton Loss at Their Peril.” Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said it was “a load of crap” to claim that the voter ID law had led to lower turnout. When Clinton, in an interview with New York magazine, said her loss was “aided and abetted by the suppression of the vote, particularly in Wisconsin,” the Washington Examiner responded, “Hillary Clinton Blames Voter Suppression for Losing a State She Didn’t Visit Once During the Election.” As the months went on, pundits on the right and left turned Clinton’s loss into a case study for her campaign’s incompetence and the Democratic Party’s broader abandonment of the white working class. Voter suppression efforts were practically ignored, when they weren’t mocked.

Stories like Anthony’s went largely unreported. An analysis by Media Matters for America found that only 8.9 percent of TV news segments on voting rights from July 2016 to June 2017 “discussed the impact voter suppression laws had on the 2016 election,” while more than 70 percent “were about Trump’s false claims of voter fraud and noncitizen voting.” During the 2016 campaign, there were 25 presidential debates but not a single question about voter suppression. The media has spent countless hours interviewing Trump voters but almost no time reporting on disenfranchised voters like Anthony.

Three years after Wisconsin passed its voter ID law in 2011, a federal judge blocked it, noting that 9 percent of all registered voters did not have the required forms of ID. Black voters were about 50 percent likelier than whites to lack these IDs because they were less likely to drive or to be able to afford the do ents required to get a current ID, and more likely to have moved from out of state. There is, of course, no one thing that swung the election. Clinton’s failings, James Comey’s 11th-hour letter, Russian interference, fake news, sexism, racism, and a struggling economy in key swing states all contributed to Trump’s victory. We will never be able to assign exact proportions to all the factors at play. But a year later, interviews with voters, organizers, and election officials reveal that, in Wisconsin and beyond, voter suppression played a much larger role than is commonly understood.

Republicans said the ID law was necessary to stop voter fraud, blaming alleged improprieties at the polls in Milwaukee for narrow losses in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections. But when the measure was challenged in court, the state couldn’t present a single case of voter impersonation that the law would have stopped. “It is absolutely clear that [the law] will prevent more legitimate votes from being cast than fraudulent votes,” Judge Lynn Adelman wrote in a 2014 decision striking down the law. Adelman’s ruling was overturned by a conservative appeals court panel, which called Wisconsin’s law “materially identical” to a voter ID law in Indiana upheld by the Supreme Court in 2008, even though Wisconsin’s law was much stricter. The panel said the state had “revised the procedures” to make it easier for voters to obtain a voter ID, which reduced “the likelihood of irreparable injury.” Many more rounds of legal challenges ensued, but the law was allowed to stand for the 2016 election.

After the election, registered voters in Milwaukee County and Madison’s Dane County were surveyed about why they didn’t cast a ballot. Eleven percent cited the voter ID law and said they didn’t have an acceptable ID; of those, more than half said the law was the “main reason” they didn’t vote. According to the study’s author, University of Wisconsin-Madison political scientist Kenneth Mayer, that finding implies that between 12,000 and 23,000 registered voters in Madison and Milwaukee—and as many as 45,000 statewide—were deterred from voting by the ID law. “We have hard evidence there were tens of thousands of people who were unable to vote because of the voter ID law,” he says.

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-election-2016

[boutons_deux]

no surprise,

within HOURS of the oligarchy SCOTUS gutting the VRA, TX and other red states implemented their Vote ID (suppression) regulations.

Also, 538 saw significant movement in WI, MI, PA from Hillary to Trash in the days after Comey's letter about emails on Huma's machine was leaked by the Repugs. Those 3 states' electoral votes gave Trash the WH.

And what about Pootin's cyber army posting on Facebook, targeted to those 3 states, posting on twitter?

Hillary has every right and justification, as do any serious Americans, to condemn Trash as an ILLEGITIMATE President.

[SpursforSix]

Too bad. You want to vote then spend the $28 and get an ID.

[Chucho]

Too bad. You want to vote then spend the $28 and get an ID.

Voting isn't as important as:

Cashing a check
Buying a fishing/hunting license
Buying smokes or alcohol
Getting a library card
Picking up your meds/certain OTCs
Blowing your family savings at a casino
See an R rated movie

What a load of . To call it "voter suppression" is a crock of and the epitome of "hyperbole". Not having something that is basically essential to American adulthood for one of the most important things isn't suppression, it's consistency with the practices of the times.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Voting isn't as important as:

Cashing a check
Buying a fishing/hunting license
Buying smokes or alcohol
Getting a library card
Picking up your meds/certain OTCs
Blowing your family savings at a casino
See an R rated movie

What a load of . To call it "voter suppression" is a crock of and the epitome of "hyperbole". Not having something that is basically essential to American adulthood for one of the most important things isn't suppression, it's consistency with the practices of the times.

One is a Cons utional right and the other's are not. And the article lays out a clear case with evidence that your posting has not response to.

[koriwhat]

[koriwhat]

don't have an ID, you don't get to vote. should be as simple as that. I can't buy alcohol, tobacco, a gun, etc without an ID so why the exception to vote?

[koriwhat]

no surprise,

within HOURS of the oligarchy SCOTUS gutting the VRA, TX and other red states implemented their Vote ID (suppression) regulations.

Also, 538 saw significant movement in WI, MI, PA from Hillary to Trash in the days after Comey's letter about emails on Huma's machine was leaked by the Repugs. Those 3 states' electoral votes gave Trash the WH.

And what about Pootin's cyber army posting on Facebook, targeted to those 3 states, posting on twitter?

Hillary has every right and justification, as do any serious Americans, to condemn Trash as an ILLEGITIMATE President.

it's funny because you shoot the messenger but not the person behind the message or cough cough the emails... as well, you don't mention how HRC and co ed over bernie and then you claim HRC should've won but still dismissing her and her cronies tactics. yall want that dumb in office no matter what but why? she's an evil **** who gives no s about the good ol USA and yet neither do yall i see so hand in hand right?

[Chucho]

One is a Cons utional right and the other's are not. And the article lays out a clear case with evidence that your posting has not response to.

Considering how big of a jackass you've been made you look this past couple of days, and the majority of your tenure, your faux intellectualism holds no water. Put me back on your ignore list, you simpleton.



But, to humor your idiocy, the right to bear arms is a cons utional right, are you saying we don't need ID's to buy/own guns as well? You're not as smart as you think you are.

[koriwhat]

Considering how big of a jackass you've been made you look this past couple of days, and the majority of your tenure, your faux intellectualism holds no water. Put me back on your ignore list, you simpleton.



But, to humor your idiocy, the right to bear arms is a cons utional right, are you saying we don't need ID's to buy/own guns as well? You're not as smart as you think you are.

he talks in circles trying to come off as intellectual. dudes a sad excuse of a troll.

[boutons_deux]

it's funny because you shoot the messenger but not the person behind the message or cough cough the emails... as well, you don't mention how HRC and co ed over bernie and then you claim HRC should've won but still dismissing her and her cronies tactics. yall want that dumb in office no matter what but why? she's an evil **** who gives no s about the good ol USA and yet neither do yall i see so hand in hand right?

you're a very confused, so typical, right wing asshole

Where have I defended Hillary other than to say that she and her cabinet would be vastly better than Trash and his kakistrocracy?

and of course, she wouldn't sign every single piece of law, as Trash would do, given to her by a Repug Congress. that would be, as it was with Obama, a gridlock postive for USA.

Whatever, Trash is an ILLEGITIMATE President, of a rigged, stolen election.

[Chucho]

he talks in circles trying to come off as intellectual. dudes a sad excuse of a troll.

Exactly- not as smart as he thinks he is.

[koriwhat]

you're a very confused, so typical, right wing asshole

Where have I defended Hillary other than to say that she and her cabinet would be vastly better than Trash and his kakistrocracy?

and of course, she wouldn't sign every single piece of law, as Trash would do, give to her by a Repug Congress.

Whatever, Trash is an ILLEGITIMATE President, of a rigged, stolen election.

do you realize what bs you type when you're typing it?

i'm a right wing asshole or right wing at all just because i HATE hrc, bernie, the democRATS, lib mentality, etc? so because of all that i suppose i am right wing. don't agree with you but that must mean i am right wing. so anyone not on your side is right wing, got it.

remember, hillary rigged the primaries against bernie but yeah she's so vastly better than a dude who paid for his own campaign and actually went to states hillary deemed unworthy to campaign in.

and yes, hillary would sign whatever stupid ing PC bs comes across her desk. you obviously don't realize how corrupt that really is huh? she would do much much worse than signing this or that law. she's the trash and we(well, not myself) took her out!

as for hillary being anymore legitimate of a candidate that trump is laughable. last time i checked trump didn't rig a damn thing to get to the presidency. with that said, i'd like to think the majority of americans would prefer someone other than a total lying pig who cheats her way to the top by playing iden y politics. hillary, her en led mentality, her cheating ways, her lying, her anger, etc.... that dumb ing ****!

[Pavlov]

But, to humor your idiocy, the right to bear arms is a cons utional right, are you saying we don't need ID's to buy/own guns as well?

I don't think one is needed for a private sale.

I'm fine with the IDs -- you just have to make them free and easily available and advertised as such. Anything else makes it a poll tax, which is uncons utional.

[Spurminator]

do you realize what bs you type when you're typing it?

i'm a right wing asshole or right wing at all just because i HATE hrc, bernie, the democRATS, lib mentality, etc? so because of all that i suppose i am right wing. don't agree with you but that must mean i am right wing. so anyone not on your side is right wing, got it.

remember, hillary rigged the primaries against bernie but yeah she's so vastly better than a dude who paid for his own campaign and actually went to states hillary deemed unworthy to campaign in.

and yes, hillary would sign whatever stupid ing PC bs comes across her desk. you obviously don't realize how corrupt that really is huh? she would do much much worse than signing this or that law. she's the trash and we(well, not myself) took her out!

as for hillary being anymore legitimate of a candidate that trump is laughable. last time i checked trump didn't rig a damn thing to get to the presidency. with that said, i'd like to think the majority of americans would prefer someone other than a total lying pig who cheats her way to the top by playing iden y politics. hillary, her en led mentality, her cheating ways, her lying, her anger, etc.... that dumb ing ****!

[Chucho]

I don't think one is needed for a private sale.

I'm fine with the IDs -- you just have to make them free and easily available and advertised as such. Anything else makes it a poll tax, which is uncons utional.

I do agree with this. ID's should be given out free, especially after a Census period or that social security cards be amalgamated with IDs- something like that.

[Pavlov]

I do agree with this. ID's should be given out free, especially after a Census period or that social security cards be amalgamated with IDs- something like that.

Well elections are the responsibility of the states -- that's why everything is so ed up. The very idea of national IDs makes some people themselves even though I have no idea what those people think SS and tax ID numbers are. The whole process will need an overhaul that probably includes a good deal of federalization -- but Republicans in particular will never want that.

[boutons_deux]

"Republicans in particular will never want that"

.... are happy with the rigged status quo, since their paymasters in the oligarchy are happy with the rigghed status quo (economy, tax system, govt, gerrymandering, increasing voter suppression).

Oligarchy will block EVERYTHING that makes life better for the bottom 4 quintiles, that doesn't also enrich/empower the oligarchy even more.

"free federal photo ID" cards, do ents will cost $10Bs to introduce and maintain, $Bs that the oligarchy will not allow to be taken from their tax cuts.

[boutons_deux]

in some states, if you're in default on some debt, you can't vote

and many states, ex-cons can't vote for life

[RandomGuy]

Voting isn't as important as:

Cashing a check
Buying a fishing/hunting license
Buying smokes or alcohol
Getting a library card
Picking up your meds/certain OTCs
Blowing your family savings at a casino
See an R rated movie

What a load of . To call it "voter suppression" is a crock of and the epitome of "hyperbole". Not having something that is basically essential to American adulthood for one of the most important things isn't suppression, it's consistency with the practices of the times.

"when the measure was challenged in court, the state couldn’t present a single case of voter impersonation that the law would have stopped."

The people pushing for it, know exactly what they are doing, and are rather out about the fact it is suppressing votes.

[RandomGuy]

don't have an ID, you don't get to vote. should be as simple as that. I can't buy alcohol, tobacco, a gun, etc without an ID so why the exception to vote?

Because we have age limits on these products, and people are motivated to cheat those laws.

No one really fakes being someone else to go vote.

They just... don't.

If you think it happens, prove it. Every time a state gets challenged on that in court, they ing fail miserably.

Why do we need a law to solve a problem that doesn't exist?
.

[Chucho]

"when the measure was challenged in court, the state couldn’t present a single case of voter impersonation that the law would have stopped."

The people pushing for it, know exactly what they are doing, and are rather out about the fact it is suppressing votes.

I want to make sure I'm hearing this right. Are they saying that fraud voting can't be stopped by implementing an ID procedure? So, for instance fake ID's couldn't be detected?

[RandomGuy]

I want to make sure I'm hearing this right. Are they saying that fraud voting can't be stopped by implementing an ID procedure? So, for instance fake ID's couldn't be detected?

Not sure what you are hearing. what you are reading:

In-person voter fraud (the only problem what ID laws would fix), for all practical purposes, doesn't exist. No state with voter ID laws has EVER shown it does when it had to prove it in court.

Voter fraud does exist, but the types of fraud that do happen, won't be prevented by voter ID laws.

So, no, real voter fraud wouldn't be stopped by ID laws.

The people that pass the laws, know that the problem (in person voter fraud) doesn't exist. They pass the ID laws for the sole purpose of suppressing likely blocks of Democratic voters.

[Chucho]

Not sure what you are hearing. what you are reading:

In-person voter fraud (the only problem what ID laws would fix), for all practical purposes, doesn't exist. No state with voter ID laws has EVER shown it does when it had to prove it in court.

Voter fraud does exist, but the types of fraud that do happen, won't be prevented by voter ID laws.

So, no, real voter fraud wouldn't be stopped by ID laws.

The people that pass the laws, know that the problem (in person voter fraud) doesn't exist. They pass the ID laws for the sole purpose of suppressing likely blocks of Democratic voters.

Because they can't afford an ID?

[RandomGuy]

Who is right? Scholars have been able to show that racial and ethnic minorities have less access to photo IDs, and extensive analysis reveals almost no evidence of voter fraud of the type ostensibly prevented by these laws.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.87e589ab557a

n The Myth of Voter Fraud, Lorraine C. Minnite presents the results of her meticulous search for evidence of voter fraud. She concludes that while voting irregularities produced by the fragmented and complex nature of the electoral process in the United States are common, incidents of deliberate voter fraud are actually quite rare. Based on painstaking research aggregating and sifting through data from a variety of sources, including public records requests to all fifty state governments and the U.S. Justice Department, Minnite contends that voter fraud is in reality a politically constructed myth intended to further complicate the voting process and reduce voter turnout.