School shooting: Parkland, Florida

Originally Posted by koriwhat

so do hands, legs, cars, sticks, batons, tylenol, etc.... lmao!

so then ask yourself and give an honest answer of why you think most murders in the US happen with guns, and not sticks, tylenol, or hot coffee

Originally Posted by Chris

By that logic, any weapon enables evil. Let's ban all weapons.

sure. but guns do so incredibly effectively, to a point where in this country their negatives outweigh the positives. the amount of justified homicides that we have using guns are incredibly negligible compared to their criminal use.

Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

That makes no sense. How could he have been armed if he didnt have a gun and was shot in the back. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

On February 2, 2013, Kyle and his friend, Chad Littlefield, 35, were shot and killed by Eddie Ray Routh at the Rough Creek Ranch-Lodge-Resort shooting range in Erath County, Texas.^[48] Both Kyle and Littlefield were armed with .45-caliber 1911-style pistols when they were killed, but neither gun had been unholstered or fired, and the safety catches were still on. Kyle was killed with a .45-caliber pistol, while Littlefield was shot with a 9mm SIG Sauer pistol. Both guns belonged to Kyle.^[9]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kyle#Death}

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

to a point where in this country their negatives outweigh the positives.

Got any stats to back that up?

Ok, didnt have a gun in his hand and was shot by surprise in the back.

The meme is still idiotic.

Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Ok, didnt have a gun in his hand and was shot by surprise in the back.

The meme is still idiotic.

by his own gun

Originally Posted by Chris

Got any stats to back that up?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d9e01abeee22

In 2012, there were 8,855 criminal gun homicides in the FBI's homicide database, but only 258 gun killings by private citizens that were deemed justifiable, which the FBI defines as "the killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen."

That works out to one justifiable gun death for every 34 unjustifiable gun deaths.

Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

That makes no sense. How could he have been armed if he didnt have a gun and was shot in the back. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

SR beat me to it.

Originally Posted by spurraider21

by his own gun

What the does that have to do with anything? The meme was ridiculous.

Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

What the does that have to do with anything? The meme was ridiculous.

it has to do with the claim that he was unarmed

i agree the meme was ridiculous

Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

What the does that have to do with anything? The meme was ridiculous.

I agreed the meme was stupid. Kyle's death is proof moar guns isn't the go-to answer you want it to be.

Originally Posted by Pavlov

SR beat me to it.

I corrected that he had a safed gun in a holster and was shot in the back without warning.

The meme is still idiotic.

Originally Posted by Chucho

Im an idiot.

Got it

Originally Posted by spurraider21

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d9e01abeee22

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Why is an article from 2015 cherry picking stats from 2012?

Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

I corrected that he had a safed gun in a holster and was shot in the back without warning.

So you were wrong and I was right.

The meme is still idiotic.

Since I already agreed with that, I don't know why you keep going on about it.

Originally Posted by Chris

Why is an article from 2015 cherry picking stats from 2012?

is it your claim that 2012 is an outlier and that justified homicides typically rival if not surpass the amount of unjustified deaths?

Originally Posted by spurraider21

so then ask yourself and give an honest answer of why you think most murders in the US happen with guns, and not sticks, tylenol, or hot coffee

sure. but guns do so incredibly effectively, to a point where in this country their negatives outweigh the positives. the amount of justified homicides that we have using guns are incredibly negligible compared to their criminal use.

must suck to be scared constantly.

Blue lives matter

Originally Posted by spurraider21

is it your claim that 2012 is an outlier and that justified homicides typically rival if not surpass the amount of unjustified deaths?

I'm claiming that they were more than likely cherry picking stats to construct an anti-gun narrative. I'm also claiming that disarming the public will only enable the criminal. No one has been able to dispute that yet.

Originally Posted by Trill Clinton

Blue lives matter

we all know we don't have the best nor the brightest people in uniform. some, yes but most, no.

Chris

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls

when it comes to justified homicides with guns, 272 in 2015, 276 in 2016

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-4.xls

when it comes to murders using guns, 9,778 in 2015, 11,004 in 2016

Originally Posted by hater

Got it

LOL, white flag. No need to explain why you're original post totally whiffed and missed my point beyond "you're an idiot".

Originally Posted by koriwhat

your numbers!

Hey, hey now!

What about the X and the ^

Originally Posted by koriwhat

must suck to be scared constantly.

i'm not. i just see an obviously flawed policy and am pointing out that it can probably be improved

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm claiming that they were more than likely cherry picking stats to construct an anti-gun narrative. I'm also claiming that disarming the public will only enable the criminal. No one has been able to dispute that yet.

it was a 1:34 ratio in the "cherry picked" 2012 sample

1:36 in 2015 and 1:40 in 2016

looks like if anything they cherry picked the numbers to weaken the anti-gun narrative (if you claim they cherry picked data in the first place)