School shooting: Parkland, Florida

Originally Posted by pgardn

rmt

You taught your kids algebra and that got them ahead because you are so good.
Wanna try a problem I just saw (tutoring a kid in AP C calculus based physics) that he could not do because of not enough tools in the algebra toolbox?

Its an important Subject (algebra) I believe. You gotta be good, I learned this in public school. Mrs. Morton. She taught many kids this subject, not just her kids. And while you are at it, there is a kid from Somalia that you must teach. And one that is just slow, and one that gets beaten at home. Give it a shot?

What exactly does this have to do with the shooting? I have no idea what an algebra toolbox is - I taught from an old Dolciani book (older version).

https://www.amazon.com/Algebra-Struc...ustomerReviews

Originally Posted by TSA

CNN is a piece of for putting on that townhall while sitting on that information.

Why would that information have made a fundamental difference in the town hall? Is Dana Loesch somehow less of a hyperbolic fear-mongerer, or Marco Rubio less of an NRA-funded shill, because the officers didn't do their jobs and keep the death count to only, say, 7?

Not everyone is so easily drawn off by tangential stories.

Originally Posted by Spurminator

Why would that information have made a fundamental difference in the town hall? Is Dana Loesch somehow less of a hyperbolic fear-mongerer, or Marco Rubio less of an NRA-funded shill, because the officers didn't do their jobs and keep the death count to only, say, 7?

Not everyone is so easily drawn off by tangential stories.

dont make him put out that list of reporters who colluded with hillary with the non-clickable links

"...but blame the NRA and Rubio!" Selective outrage. Again.

Originally Posted by Chris

"...but blame the NRA and Rubio!" Selective outrage. Again.

no matter how many shootings, remember to discuss literally every factor except for the common denominator

Originally Posted by Chris

eh, not even trying. that's just lazy

Originally Posted by rmt

What exactly does this have to do with the shooting? I have no idea what an algebra toolbox is - I taught from an old Dolciani book (older version).

https://www.amazon.com/Algebra-Struc...ustomerReviews

I have no idea.
its how far back?
In the context of that part of the thread... well, these meanderings occur.
Probably your comment on cushy school teacher pensions and something about how much is spent on students? And the fact I had very good public school teachers.

It was probably another flippant conservative misinformation post about how much is spent on students and getting that mixed up with teacher pay. It's a ridiculous argument as it assumes all the $ goes to the people who teach in the district. People trying to become teachers has decreased since 2009. They make a paltry sum for what they go thru and the # of kids they have to teach. So if you think the pension is cushy, please enter the profession as a math teacher, since this is your expertise.

There are bad cops, teachers, presidents, doctors. But apparently an enormous # of bad math teachers in Florida.
Now I guess I will look at the book.

Originally Posted by rmt

What exactly does this have to do with the shooting? I have no idea what an algebra toolbox is - I taught from an old Dolciani book (older version).

https://www.amazon.com/Algebra-Struc...ustomerReviews

Oh the dumbed down versions used in public schools. That's what led you to this.
That varies a great deal from district to district because schools have such a different clientele.
We have already discussed this as well.

Originally Posted by Spurminator

Why would that information have made a fundamental difference in the town hall? Is Dana Loesch somehow less of a hyperbolic fear-mongerer, or Marco Rubio less of an NRA-funded shill, because the officers didn't do their jobs and keep the death count to only, say, 7?

Not everyone is so easily drawn off by tangential stories.

Are you serious?

Do you really think that townhall would have gone the same way if those kids knew three Broward County sheriffs were on scene and did nothing but stand behind their cars with guns drawn? Do you think Sheriff Israel would have been received the same way? There was a reason the information was withheld until after the townhall.

Originally Posted by TSA

Are you serious?

Do you really think that townhall would have gone the same way if those kids knew three Broward County sheriffs were on scene and did nothing but stand behind their cars with guns drawn? Do you think Sheriff Israel would have been received the same way? There was a reason the information was withheld until after the townhall.

Careful with @'ing him. You might not have the intellect to spar with him mentally.

Originally Posted by Chris

Careful with @'ing him. You might not have the intellect to spar with him mentally.

Pizza!
Pizza!

Originally Posted by TSA

Are you serious?

Do you really think that townhall would have gone the same way if those kids knew three Broward County sheriffs were on scene and did nothing but stand behind their cars with guns drawn? Do you think Sheriff Israel would have been received the same way? There was a reason the information was withheld until after the townhall.

The kids and parents know this information now and it hasn't changed their message. Yes, the town hall would have gone the same overall.

Originally Posted by Chris

Careful with @'ing him. You might not have the intellect to spar with him mentally.

"triggered"

Originally Posted by Spurminator

The kids and parents know this information now and it hasn't changed their message. Yes, the town hall would have gone the same overall.

That’s bull and you know it. Sheriff Israel would have been the target of all those kids booing. Had the information come out before the townhall that his 3 officers were just standing there on scene like pussies while students were being murdered I doubt Israel would have even agreed to show up.

Originally Posted by TSA

That’s bull and you know it. Sheriff Israel would have been the target of all those kids booing. Had the information come out before the townhall that his 3 officers were just standing there on scene like pussies while students were being murdered I doubt Israel would have even agreed to show up.

Have the kids changed their message since this news came out, yes or no?

Originally Posted by rjv

maybe he has bone spurs.

Holy

Originally Posted by Spurminator

Have the kids changed their message since this news came out, yes or no?

Their message not changing doesn’t make it any more ed up that the Sheriff didn’t say anything about his 3 officers not engaging the shooter. That information should have been disclosed before the townhall even started.

Originally Posted by TSA

That’s bull and you know it. Sheriff Israel would have been the target of all those kids booing. Had the information come out before the townhall that his 3 officers were just standing there on scene like pussies while students were being murdered I doubt Israel would have even agreed to show up.

rjv makes a good point...What if they had bone spurs tho?

Originally Posted by pgardn

I have no idea.
its how far back?
In the context of that part of the thread... well, these meanderings occur.
Probably your comment on cushy school teacher pensions and something about how much is spent on students? And the fact I had very good public school teachers.

It was probably another flippant conservative misinformation post about how much is spent on students and getting that mixed up with teacher pay. It's a ridiculous argument as it assumes all the $ goes to the people who teach in the district. People trying to become teachers has decreased since 2009. They make a paltry sum for what they go thru and the # of kids they have to teach. So if you think the pension is cushy, please enter the profession as a math teacher, since this is your expertise.

There are bad cops, teachers, presidents, doctors. But apparently an enormous # of bad math teachers in Florida.
Now I guess I will look at the book.

Originally Posted by rmt

I am sure that the school districts can part with some of their funds from their cushy pensions to put one of those safes advertised on TV (quickly accessed by iirc fingerprints/palms?) in my class room. I happen to know from experience just how cheaply kids can be educated - it doesn't take much - certainly nowhere near over $11k each. A huge amount of education money goes towards employees' healthcare and pensions.

I don't see why you are so stuck on teachers. Where in my post do I mention teachers? There are a lot of people in schools districts who are not teachers - bus drivers, food providers, janitorial staff, counselors, ITS, HR, principals/asst principals, SECURITY (what a joke), and in particular (and abundance) - administrators whose value I question - making stupid decisions - like the latest - a business version of Facebook that's driving us crazy (and probably cost millions of dollars - like we don't have the phone, email, heat tickets, IM/Skype, etc.). And you don't have to lecture me on cushy pensions - I hear it EVERYDAY - and don't even mention the Florida Retirement System DROP program - in which FL public retirees can continue working for 5 years WHILE also ac ulating their pension.

I would not say that math is my expertise but it (and lots of reading) is what I focused on. I have no desire to be a teacher - for us, it was a lifestyle - the academics were just a part of it - family, religion, training, discipline and just raising up the kids the way we wanted - without them spending long hours in public schools.

The plot thickens.

Originally Posted by TSA

Their message not changing doesn’t make it any more ed up that the Sheriff didn’t say anything about his 3 officers not engaging the shooter. That information should have been disclosed before the townhall even started.

Maybe, but that's not the same as suggesting everyone's ire would have been redirected from Rubio and the NRA to the Sheriff.

Originally Posted by rmt

I don't see why you are so stuck on teachers. Where in my post do I mention teachers? There are a lot of people in schools districts who are not teachers - bus drivers, food providers, janitorial staff, counselors, ITS, HR, principals/asst principals, SECURITY (what a joke), and in particular (and abundance) - administrators whose value I question - making stupid decisions - like the latest - a business version of Facebook that's driving us crazy (and probably cost millions of dollars - like we don't have the phone, email, heat tickets, IM, etc.). And you don't have to lecture me on cushy pensions - I hear it EVERYDAY - and don't even mention the Florida Retirement System DROP program - in which FL public retirees can continue working for 5 years WHILE also ac ulating their pension.

I would not say that math is my expertise but it (and lots of reading) is what I focused on. I have no desire to be a teacher - for us, it was a lifestyle - the academics were just a part of it - family, religion, training, discipline and just raising up the kids the way we wanted - without them spending long hours in public schools.

Who would be getting the cushy pensions within the school district?

Far more money goes to teacher's pensions than any other employee primarily because they are the vast majority of hires. Because, shocking, they teach.

Rightwingers are admitting that some cops maybe are ty now and we have a problem with our police hiring now

1. Watch this video. People don't understand how Broward County School Sheriff Officers operate. I'll explain.

2. I spent about 18 months in 2012, 2013 and 2014 investigating Broward and Miami-Dade school policies and how those policies transfer to law enforcement practices.

3. My interest was initially accidental. I discovered an untold story of massive scale and consequence as a result of initial research into Trayvon Martin and his High School life.

4. What I stumbled upon was a Broward County law enforcement system in a state of conflict. The Broward County School Board and District Superintendent, entered into a political agreement with Broward County Law enforcement officials to stop arresting students for crimes.

5. The motive was simple. The school system administrators wanted to "improve their statistics" and gain state and federal grant money for improvements therein.

6. So police officials, the very highest officials of law enforcement (Sheriff and Police Chiefs), entered into a plan.



7. As soon as Miami-Dade began to receive the benefits (political and financial) from the scheme, Broward County joined on. The approach in Broward was identical as the approach in Miami-Dade.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ice-avoidance/

8. It's important to remember, this was not an arbitrary change - this was a well-planned fundamental shift in the entire dynamic of how teenagers would be treated when they engaged in criminal conduct.

https://www.scribd.com/do ent/3719...Discipline-MOU

9. The primary problem was the policy conflicted with laws; and over time the policy began to create outcomes where illegal behavior by students was essentially unchecked by law enforcement.

http://prospect.org/article/reversin...rison-pipeline

10. Initially the police were excusing misdemeanor behaviors. However, it didn't take long until felonies, even violent felonies (armed robberies, assaults and worse) were being excused.



11. The need to continue lowering the arrests year-over-year meant that increasingly more severe unlawful behavior had to be ignored. Over time even the most severe of unlawful conduct was being filtered by responding police.

12. We found out about it, when six cops blew the whistle on severe criminal conduct they were being instructed to hide. The sheriff and police Chiefs were telling street cops and school cops to ignore ever worsening criminal conduct.

13. The police were in a bind. They were encountering evidence of criminal conduct and yet they had to hide the conduct. There were examples of burglary and robbery where the police had to hide the recovered evidence in order to let the kids get away without reports.

14. The police would take the stolen merchandise and intentionally falsify police records to record stolen merchandise *as if* they just found it on the side of the road.

15. They put drugs and stolen merchandise in bags, and sent it to storage rooms in the police department. Never assigning the recovery to criminal conduct. Stolen merchandise was just sitting in storage rooms gathering dust.

16. They couldn't get the stuff back to the victim because that would mean the police would have to explain how they took custody of it. So they just hid it. To prove this was happening one of the officers told me where to look, and who the victim was.

17. At first I didn't believe them. However, after getting information from detectives, cross referencing police reports, and looking at the "found merchandise", I realized they were telling the truth.

18. A massive internal investigation took place and the results were buried. Participating in the cover-up were people in the media who were connected to the entire political apparatus.

19. The sheriff and police chief could always deny the violent acts (assaults, rapes, beatings etc.) were being ignored; that's why the good guys in the police dept gave the evidence of the stolen merchandise. That physical evidence couldn't be ignored and proved the scheme.

20. From 2012 though 2018 it only got worse. In Broward and Miami-Dade it is almost impossible for a student to get arrested. The staff within the upper levels of LEO keep track of arrests and when a certain number is reached all else is excused.

21. Well it didn't take long for criminal gangs in Broward and Miami-Dade to realize the benefit of using students for their criminal activities. After all, the kids would be let go... so organized crime became easier to get away with if they enlisted high-school kids.

22. As criminals became more adept at the timing within the offices of the officials, they timed their biggest crimes to happen after the monthly maximum arrest quota was made.

23. The most serious of armed robberies etc. were timed for later in the month or quarter. The really serious crimes were timed in the latter phases of the data collection periods. This way the student criminals were almost guaranteed to get away with it.

24. Now. You can see how that entire process gets worse over time. Present corruption (the need to hide the policy) expands in direct relationship to the corruption before it. This is where the School Police come into play.

25. Understanding the risk behind the scheme, it became increasingly important to put the best corrupt cops in the schools. *BEST* as in *SMARTEST*. Those SRO's became the ones who were best at hiding the unlawful conduct.

26. Again, over time, the most corrupt police officers within the system became the police inside the schools. These officers were those who are best skilled at identifying the political objectives and instructions.

27. Those "School Cops" also have special privileges. It's a great gig. They get free "on campus" housing close to the schools they are assigned to etc. They're crooked as and the criminal kids how just how to play them. It's a game. Also an open secret.

28. A lot of it came out during an earlier *internal affairs* investigation. Unfortunately the behavior never changed because the politics never changed. It's still going on:



29. For years this has been happening and no-one cared. Crimes happen; students excused; victims ignored; etc. The Broward County School and Law Enforcement system is designed to flow exactly this way. It's politics.



30. Only then a Parkland school shooting happened. For Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel this had to be an "oh " moment; but not for the reasons the media initially thought. If people start digging, they'll discover the shooter was one of those previously excused students

31. The same sentiment applies for Sheriff Scott's partner, School Superintendent Robert Runcie (previously from Chicago),.... things are very risky if people start digging.



32. Follow a simple timeline: 2011/2012 Broward County School administration made a policy decision to block the arrests of students in order to improve their education statistics.

http://prospect.org/article/reversin...rison-pipeline

33. 2013/2014 - Praise for the program:

http://wlrn.org/post/south-florida-s...cipline-summit

34. 2017 - The program continues. Still chasing year-over-year reductions. Worse and worse crimes being excused.

https://www.publicsource.org/these-d...their-lessons/

35. 2018 - Parkland School Shooting. 17 dead. Political cop (SRO) cowered from shooter; now retiring. School board wondering 'what went wrong'.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...201216104.html

Entirely predictable.



36. I will give testimony, provide names, outline dates, and give all prior records to any lawyer for use in a wrongful death lawsuit – so long as their intent would be to financially ruin the entire system and personally bankrupt the participants.


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