Entertaining game, all you can ask for right now IMO..not expecting to win a road game in Denver, at the moment..it would have been nice if Gay could have handled more minutes, they desperately needed a closer at any point down the stretch, Aldridge clearly can't do it(most bigs can't, to be fair)..
The roster construction is just too poor without Kawhi..if healthy, at least they could have Kawhi/Aldridge/Gay/Green with the ability to hide either Mills or Parker without suffering on either side of the ball..
ATM, they can't run any lineups that can play both ways..they need 2 of Parker/Mills/Manu on for offense, but all 3 kill the defense..Murray can play D and rebound, but he's a horrendous offensive player who can't run an offense..Bertans and Forbes are completely unplayable if they aren't making shots at a super-efficient rate..that's not even touching on the issue with the bigs(although playing Gay at the 4 should help alleviate some of those concerns)..
Also, I don't know why Forbes is even on the roster, tbh..at least give White a shot, stop playing s under 6'3"..
On any other team, Tony and Manu would be gone, to make way for some young talent. Except the Spurs' cupboard is so bare. I still don't really want them back, though. And except for Tony's desire to play 5 more years, I really can't see them wanting to go through the doldrums to come.
Oh, and I have thought Rudy would opt in since he went out.
Men In Black IV. Cool.
manure's mummified lungs can't handle the denver air without injuring his organs, smh
Jesus. Just retire already Manu.
I've bought this up numerous times in the past, but do you guys agree that TD was one of the best closing big men of all-time? I'd rate him number 1. I can't think of anyone else better than him.
I shouldn't be too hard on Aldridge not being able to close too well. I've said before that Shaq, Malone, D-Rob, KG, and even Hakeem weren't that good in crunch time. I really shouldn't even be mentioning LA's struggles at the end of games, as I know that even some of the greatest big men were never that great at closing with the game on the line.
Attacking Manu is Un-American!!
That charge was badass, but I think he has more greatness to put out there.
LMA is like a top 5 current PF. TD was like the goat of pf. We have been spoilt.
Agree. I think it’s unfair to Lamarcus. Many here want to trade him for a pick that may not ever be as good as he is right now.
Absolutely. LMA is now the best player on our team. He had a great game tonight.
I wouldn't say its as simple as 'most big men are terrible closers', as LMA has been ass in the 4th since his days in Portland.
Hopefully he seeks another opinion, tbh... in New York...
manure's mummified lungs can't handle the denver air without injuring his organs, smh
I know that about TD, I'm just saying I never thought about it at the start of his career, but towards the end of his career, I tried to think about where I would rank him as far as clutch big men go and I rank him number 1. I'm trying to prop him up even more.
I obviously haven't seen every big man play, so I was asking those who may have seen more of the older generations what their opinion is? Is there any true big men that were more clutch/better closers than TD?
If you are old enough, in your opinion is there anyone better than TD? From the guys I know - Shaq, Malone, Ewing, D-Rob, Hakeem, none of those guys IMO were even close to TD as far as closing games went and in clutch play/shot-making down the stretch like TD was.
I'm also not talking about perimeter oriented bigs like Dirk who had no post game whatsoever.
All those guys were not that clutch. In recent memory, Dirk is probably as clutch as TD was, at least offensively. Hakeem was clutch. Bird as well. Robert Horry, Barkley.
key moment:
3q - Pop replaces 6'9 '' Kyle Anderson for 6'2 '' Bryn Forbes, Denver goes on a run and gets a boost, good God, I could make better subs utes than Pop at that stage of the career.
damn dwarves, basketball is still a game that size and athleticism matters
yep, another WTF subs ution, close game with Spurs trying to stay close, and Pop puts in a cold, non-scoring, non-defending small
Yeah, umm, I'm talking about guys that played mostly center/pf. Not PF/SFs like you've listed.
Dirk, Bird, Barkley are excluded as they didn't spend a lot of time at center, and from what I've been told, Hakeem wasn't that clutch at all. Did you watch his whole career? If so, then I will listen to your opinion on him being clutch.
Hakeem in his prime was short, but the guy dominated in his prime. He was clearly up there as one of the best and clutches players.
I know he dominated, but I don't remember him dominating the last few minutes of a game, then again, I was too young to remember. He had all those clutch shooters around him. I was just curious how he performed in crunch time in the years before he won any Championships. I never saw him play before '93-'94.
Lamarcus late post game issues also stems from him being such a horrible passer out of the post. They go hand in hand. He's not clutch so teams don't double team, and the rare times they do, he has has no idea how to read the floor and find the right guy. It's just not in him. Tim was an absolute beast at making defenses pay for double teaming him because he was also so clutch.
So the defense stays home, and he forces a contested fade away from 18' that easy to make in the first, but not in the fourth.
It was a huge run too. (He ended up a -19, it was a big swing).
I just asked in the thread why Pop feels like he needs to play all 12 guys that were available to play. He didn’t need to make that subs ution, specially bc Bryn hasn’t been playing well for many games now and he doesn’t need to extend the rotation to 12 guys. He did that bc he wanted to.
B4 the ASB, he was extending the rotation to Darrun Hilliard who is a 2 way player who doesn’t have chemistry with others. As strict as he used to be with rookies and young players in the past, this year he’s thrown all that away (except for Derrick White, who could be playing those Forbes minutes probably better than him).
We’re tanking which I have no issue with. Play the young guys and get serious about making this team better. Tony, Green, Mills, Forbes, and that French dude all need to be gone this summer period!!!
Spurs have to play Patty to hope he raises his trade value. Murray has to develop. Forbes is playing himself into a minimum contract. Gasol wants touches. Rudy needs minutes. Fathead is a glue guy. Bertrans can win a game of he hits. Parker is healthy, gino is playing farewell role.
The only thing that makes sense with white is that until mills or Parker move on, he can't get room. I think one or both have to leave next year. They can't waste White
Sadly, if we suck, players may want to resign thinking that Kawhi is the only missing piece.
Unless Parker has another gear like he had in the Memphis series last year, I think he's the one looking done. I'd take Manu back next season, tbh.
Kyle didnt contribute anything to the game. Look at the talent in the nba. Forbes, kyle, murray all have gigs. Sad.
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