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    Watched that horse again, thinking I was too hard on it, but nope still a train wreck.
    Yep. Terrible villain, bad pacing, horrible characterization. Ben Afflick looks like he's screaming for help (and he was the best thing about Batman v. Superman, also no great shakes). Flash guy wasn't too bad. Wonder Woman is easy on the eyes. That's it.

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    Did the Spurs evn run ONE PnR???
    Multiples with Dijon most of the game. He struggled setting up the offense. Lamarcus struggled too, so can't blame it all on DJ.

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    They got reffed, but the Spurs are screwed bc of the amount of physicality allowed on post how vs shooters/guards.
    OKC with only 13 Personal Fouls, only 3 were shooting fouls

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    I dnt remember seein any, all i recall is the many post ups

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    Parker can but he doesn't doesn't/can't close anymore, probably would've won that GSW game if Pop went Parker-Green-Anderson-Bertans-LMA tbh
    Hence why I mentioned the mummies thing. The older guys just don't have that second gear anymore. No excuse for the Spurs to still be relying on these guys so much anymore. Honestly, they still probably would even with Kawhi healthy.

    I don't mind them as bench players. The issue is when Parker is your best option in the clutch to handle the ball, and having a glut of guards who can't handle the ball or pass, so Manu has to run the offense for them.

    PATFO set this roster up to fail sooner or later with or without Kawhi. It isn't 2014 anymore. Most of these guys are done.

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    Yep. Terrible villain, bad pacing, horrible characterization. Ben Afflick looks like he's screaming for help (and he was the best thing about Batman v. Superman, also no great shakes). Flash guy wasn't too bad. Wonder Woman is easy on the eyes. That's it.
    Actually liked Aquaman and Cyborg, Wonder Woman was just ok-though Gadot looked amazing- compared to BVS and her solo movie, and Affleck looked like his divorce was finally taking its toll.

    Flash got annoying pretty quick for me and whats the point of assembling a team of superheroes when Superman could've single handedly crushed the villain?

    I'm just ranting at this point now

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    Hence why I mentioned the mummies thing. The older guys just don't have that second gear anymore. No excuse for the Spurs to still be relying on these guys so much anymore. Honestly, they still probably would even with Kawhi healthy.

    I don't mind them as bench players. The issue is when Parker is your best option in the clutch to handle the ball, and having a glut of guards who can't handle the ball or pass, so Manu has to run the offense for them.

    PATFO set this roster up to fail sooner or later with or without Kawhi. It isn't 2014 anymore. Most of these guys are done.
    Yeah I disagree with that part; Murray, Anderson, Manu, Mills and Parker all can handle the ball to varying degrees-that is far better than ,say, the 2015 team that lost in first round to the Clips.

    The issue is Murray, Anderson, and Parker can't shoot so you can't play the three of them together meaning that Pop has to mix and match to put shooting on the floor around the players than can handle but not shoot thus the Mills, Murray, Anderson Bertans LMA lineups.

    Manu can handle, shoot, and pass so he makes sense in theory to close games with LMA but Anderson ,and occasionally Murrray, normally closes because of his defense and passing so that means Bertans might also need to be on the floor to offset his negative spacing.


    I think a bigger issue is that Forbes, Mills, Manu, Green, and Bertans, are the only high volume 3 point shooters and Forbes doesn't really play (he shouldn't) Mills is a turnstile on D, Green is playing fewer minutes off the bench because the Murray-Green-Anderson-LMA-Gasol was so bad offensively and Bertans may not be a rotation player when this team is fully healthy really only leaving Manu who is shooting below average from 3 this season.

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    Hence why I mentioned the mummies thing. The older guys just don't have that second gear anymore. No excuse for the Spurs to still be relying on these guys so much anymore. Honestly, they still probably would even with Kawhi healthy.

    I don't mind them as bench players. The issue is when Parker is your best option in the clutch to handle the ball, and having a glut of guards who can't handle the ball or pass, so Manu has to run the offense for them.

    PATFO set this roster up to fail sooner or later with or without Kawhi. It isn't 2014 anymore. Most of these guys are done.
    Until the Spurs let go of those guys, and I mean at the most let them only be very very deep bench players (which will never happen), they can’t truly move on as a franchise. They cast too big a shadow on new players. There’s too much respect for them, and rightfully so.

    They will always get minutes and make it tougher for new guys because they’ll never be able to live up to what Tony and Manu once were.

    It’s just time to move on.

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    I'd rather watch my sister have a train run on her than watch LaMarcus Aldridge pass out of a double team, tbh..absolutely nauseating..

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    I'd rather watch my sister have a train run on her than watch LaMarcus Aldridge pass out of a double team, tbh..absolutely nauseating..
    choo...choo...mother er

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    Yeah I disagree with that part; Murray, Anderson, Manu, Mills and Parker all can handle the ball to varying degrees-that is far better than ,say, the 2015 team that lost in first round to the Clips.

    The issue is Murray, Anderson, and Parker can't shoot so you can't play the three of them together meaning that Pop has to mix and match to put shooting on the floor around the players than can handle but not shoot thus the Mills, Murray, Anderson Bertans LMA lineups.

    Manu can handle, shoot, and pass so he makes sense in theory to close games with LMA but Anderson ,and occasionally Murrray, normally closes because of his defense and passing so that means Bertans might also need to be on the floor to offset his negative spacing.


    I think a bigger issue is that Forbes, Mills, Manu, Green, and Bertans, are the only high volume 3 point shooters and Forbes doesn't really play (he shouldn't) Mills is a turnstile on D, Green is playing fewer minutes off the bench because the Murray-Green-Anderson-LMA-Gasol was so bad offensively and Bertans may not be a rotation player when this team is fully healthy really only leaving Manu who is shooting below average from 3 this season.
    Mills and Murray cannot handle well. Mills especially sucks since he can't pass. Anderson doesn't get many opportunites, and is rarely aggressive.

    Again, our best ball-handling options are mummies and that is a glaring problem. Until this team does better there, it is going to be tough to get open looks for anybody, especially our awful shooters.

    Also, I'd say that the fact that a post-up offense led by the worst passer from the post in Aldridge doesn't help much either.

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    dabom game threads tbh

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    Mills has can't do anything off the dribble. Therefore he has a handle tbh.

    Also everybody can handle the ball "to varying degrees".

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    I'd rather watch my sister have a train run on her than watch LaMarcus Aldridge pass out of a double team, tbh..absolutely nauseating..
    Would also like to submit;

    -Joff not realizing when to pass out of the paint, i.e. when he has three opposing players in front of him and two open players on the perimeter.

    -Forbes- just every minute he's on the floor, really.

    -Pops rotations

    -Pass, pass, pass, pump fake, drive, pass, pump fake, drive and then clanking a pull up

    all good choices tbh

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    The meltdowns are much more relaxed recently. ST is accepting their fate....
    Yup.

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    Mills has can't do anything off the dribble. Therefore he has a handle tbh.

    Also everybody can handle the ball "to varying degrees".
    This. Every NBA player can "handle". Can they handle under pressure? Can they handle through the paint and get a guy a look? Can they handle the ball and direct an offense, or run a pick and roll?

    Only Manu and Tony can consistently do all of the above and that is sad regardless of what's going on with Kawhi this season.

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    Mills and Murray cannot handle well. Mills especially sucks since he can't pass. Anderson doesn't get many opportunites, and is rarely aggressive.

    Again, our best ball-handling options are mummies and that is a glaring problem. Until this team does better there, it is going to be tough to get open looks for anybody, especially our awful shooters.

    Also, I'd say that the fact that a post-up offense led by the worst passer from the post in Aldridge doesn't help much either.
    Murray is actually decent, despite his rep as having poor handles, and is decent passer. Mills can bring the ball up the floor competently, low bar I know, and I never said he was a good passer.

    Anderson is a good secondary passer ( I define that as someone who doesn't run point but is able to create off drives and finding the open man) and has solid handles.

    Leonard definitely would help in terms of ball handling, then again he almost never passes to LMA so that's an issue.

    I think the fact that the Spurs are such a poor 3pt shooting team is a bigger issue than Aldridge's struggles against doubles. Players like Bertans and Manu have shot poorly and the Spurs have three guards that flat out don't take 3's (only a combined 86 attempts 3600 minutes) Gay is a low volume 3pt shooter and has regressed compared to his Kings days, Forbes isn't a rotation player and Green is coming off the bench leaving Mills to chunk up 3's with varying degrees of success.

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    fivethirtyeight has the Spurs at 58% of making the playoffs

    and the finishing 18th overall, in terms of projected record (18th and 48th picks)

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    Melo had 2 points and PG had 11 points. Easy win!

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    Melo had 2 points and PG had 11 points. Easy win!
    Defensively Kyle and Dijon did a good job on them... Pau was decent on rim protection until Collison humiliated him.

    I will ask you this ironically but there is some truth. Does it surprise you at all that the Spurs looked better against GSW and almost win that game if not for a massive choke, when Pau didn't play the entire game vs the way they looked against OKC with Pau?. That can't be a coincidence.

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    Defensively Kyle and Dijon did a good job on them... Pau was decent on rim protection until Collison humiliated him.

    I will ask you this ironically but there is some truth. Does it surprise you at all that the Spurs looked better against GSW and almost win that game if not for a massive choke, when Pau didn't play the entire game vs the way they looked against OKC with Pau?. That can't be a coincidence.
    I actually thought about that while watching this game and I also made a similar connection concerning Pau but let's be real, GSW are just going through a "bored" phase and probably playing down to the compe ion... and let's not forget that Pop really limits Pau's minutes against the Warriors. I really didn't take much from that Warriors game even though I did actually think about how bad this Spurs team looked tonight after Pau coming back from injury. He doesn't help matters, that's for sure.

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    A quick boxscore review. Both teams shot 86 times. The spurs made 40. The Thunder made 39. Both teams made 10 threes (the spurs on 20 attempts, the Thunder on 28). The thunder won by 10, despite hitting less shots - how they shot 16 of 24 from the FT line, the spurs shot 4 of 7 (and 3 of those came with us down 13 and less than 4 minutes left). Thunderrefs...
    bertans got some calls against him, especially his 5th was particularly unfair. And LMA was getting hammered in the first half. Thunder are very aggressive on offensive rebounds. I never understood why they don't get called for over the backs.

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    I actually thought about that while watching this game and I also made a similar connection concerning Pau but let's be real, GSW are just going through a "bored" phase and probably playing down to the compe ion... and let's not forget that Pop really limits Pau's minutes against the Warriors. I really didn't take much from that Warriors game even though I did actually think about how bad this Spurs team looked tonight after Pau coming back from injury. He doesn't help matters, that's for sure.
    I don’t know that there are sufficient games left in the season and if Kiwi indeed comes back it will alter the current dynamic, and mask whatever is going on with Pau but I thought the other game against GSW the Spurs were also surprisingly compe ive and it was really the bench with Forbes sucking and getting lit up and Pau that gave up leads Klay also got hot, and eventually GSW won without problems but they played better with Davis than with Pau.

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    I'd rather watch my sister have a train run on her than watch LaMarcus Aldridge pass out of a double team, tbh..absolutely nauseating..
    Can we see a picture of your sister?

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    Damn just checked the standings Spurs almost out of the playoffs, still in the race for now at this moment the 7th seed. 3-8 anything can happen before the end of the season most of the teams have evenly matched records, yes Spurs may not make the playoffs because all the teams have the same damn record almost.

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