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    Makes sense. Flood the state with illegals so your electoral vote increases. Give the illegals driver's licenses so they can vote. Tell the citizens they are racist if they don't comply.

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    hole

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    ^^^ The Bay area used to bus their homeless into Modesto, the only city that didn't (showing there is a little bit of a heart beating in the land of the disingenuous, smug cesspool) was Oakland. Oakland is an absolutely atrocious city and crime is overly rampant.

    With Modesto putting their foot down and refusing the Bay's trash, crime has gone down slightly in the Central Valley and we are seeing East Bay rotting away in the areas not named China town. Coincidence?

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    ^^^ The Bay area used to bus their homeless into Modesto, the only city that didn't (showing there is a little bit of a heart beating in the land of the disingenuous, smug cesspool) was Oakland. Oakland is an absolutely atrocious city and crime is overly rampant.

    With Modesto putting their foot down and refusing the Bay's trash, crime has gone down slightly in the Central Valley and we are seeing East Bay rotting away in the areas not named China town. Coincidence?
    Why doesn't Chinatown rot away?

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    Why doesn't Chinatown rot away?
    If you're not Chinese, you're not living there. Plain and simple. They've crime, but it's "their" crime, they're not going to allow someone to push their trash on them. \

    And good to Modesto for putting their foot down and not allowing the elite parts of California to treat them like second class citizens. Now if the entire Central Valley could get the municipality of LA County and the Brown Syndicate out of our water supply, it'd be the same feeling as when Unions were able to get the mob out. That's how serious it is, except, ya know, the mob didn't make laws, they just roughed you up and killed ya.

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    Oh cool. More Storytime with Chubrock.

    In reality the redistricting case looks like it could have serious implications for your preferred political party. Making up stories about me changes that not one whit, fattie.

    California and Kansas/Oklahoma show the lie of your fiscal ideology as well.
    FIFY. red states tax structures and "small government" philosophy tends to lead to underinvestment in any measure that might lift people out of poverty. Pick any of them.

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    FIFY. red states tax structures and "small government" philosophy tends to lead to underinvestment in any measure that might lift people out of poverty. Pick any of them.
    LOL at liberal thought that "big government" leads to investment/lifting people out of poverty.

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    LOL at liberal thought that "big government" leads to investment/lifting people out of poverty.
    Det surplus and det economy here has led to the highest poverty rate in the nation and the third highest homeless rate in the nation. But det surplus keeps on giving back to us...in the form of more and more taxation and we've absolutely no vote or word in it.

    There's nothing special about California Liberalism except for how little attention is paid to how corrupt these s bags are. Trump is no worse, he's just got a larger platform to up.

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    Det surplus and det economy here has led to the highest poverty rate in the nation and the third highest homeless rate in the nation. But det surplus keeps on giving back to us...in the form of more and more taxation and we've absolutely no vote or word in it.

    There's nothing special about California Liberalism except for how little attention is paid to how corrupt these s bags are. Trump is no worse, he's just got a larger platform to up.
    You, singly or individually, might not have sway but why does the majority of CA taxpayers put up with this. Me, I vote with my feet. If I don't like something, I'm not hanging around - I'd move. My philosophy is that I'll handle my hard earned money better than any government - the less they have and the more I have the better - can't wait for that vote for no new taxes without 2/3 FL legislature approval in November.

    You and I will just have to disagree on Trump - he's forever hurt his brand, name, and fortune by becoming president - he could be relaxing on some golf course sipping pina coladas instead of putting up with this rubbish.

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    This is basically a compilation of news stories from or about California with a little commentary at the beginning and the end. Lots of facts and insight here.

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    Makes sense. Flood the state with illegals so your electoral vote increases. Give the illegals driver's licenses so they can vote. Tell the citizens they are racist if they don't comply.
    wyoming gets as many senators as california. that's disenfranchisement right there

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    LOL at liberal thought that "big government" leads to investment/lifting people out of poverty.
    LOL at delusional beliefs about "free markets".

    "big government" countries in Europe have a lot less income inequality. They do better than the US, with it's phony free markets, in every measure of human well being.

    We don't have free markets in this country, despite what you seem to think, we have oligopolies, duopolies and monopolies, which are about as anti-free market as any communist state.

    Our system is set up to benefit large corporations that earn rent profits from a LACK of compe ion, and government rules that re-enforce that.

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    wyoming gets as many senators as california. that's disenfranchisement right there
    Not really disenfranshisement exactly, just saying that some votes matter more than others. This effect is quantifiable, as is that of Trump party gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    The right cheats, and admits as much when they think they aren't being recorded, and sometimes even when they are.

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    Det surplus and det economy here has led to the highest poverty rate in the nation and the third highest homeless rate in the nation. But det surplus keeps on giving back to us...in the form of more and more taxation and we've absolutely no vote or word in it.

    There's nothing special about California Liberalism except for how little attention is paid to how corrupt these s bags are. Trump is no worse, he's just got a larger platform to up.
    high poverty rate in the supplemental report is driven by California’s stratospheric housing costs. He added that use of the supplemental measure has gained wide acceptance among researchers.
    http://www.politifact.com/california...overty-rate-w/

    Plain stats, no commentary, FWIW:
    http://www.ppic.org/publication/poverty-in-california/

    A rather long economic paper:
    https://inequality.stanford.edu/site.../files/eop.pdf

    Although the evidence is not
    always clear-cut, there is a growing consensus around
    a two-pronged approach that combines opportunityequalizing
    and wage-raising reform. This approach is
    well-tested, yields returns in excess of the investments,
    is consistent with our most fundamental commitments
    about how labor markets should be set up, integrates
    well with existing programming in California, and can
    be delivered with a centralized or decentralized (e.g.,
    Promise Neighborhood) approach.

    Most of what is available points to housing prices keeping a lot of people poor, and a lack of utilization of social safety net programs. Hard to improve skills or get your kids a headstart if you can barely afford the rent. The solutions are there, it just takes some political will to address.

    Heavy tax credits for lower income housing, strong training programs and yes, cash assistance for things like daycare, are what is needed.

    Read the study.

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    The Senate, dominated by low-population states, has become one of the FF's biggest Cons utional ups.

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    http://www.politifact.com/california...overty-rate-w/

    Plain stats, no commentary, FWIW:
    http://www.ppic.org/publication/poverty-in-california/

    A rather long economic paper:
    https://inequality.stanford.edu/site.../files/eop.pdf




    Most of what is available points to housing prices keeping a lot of people poor, and a lack of utilization of social safety net programs. Hard to improve skills or get your kids a headstart if you can barely afford the rent. The solutions are there, it just takes some political will to address.

    Heavy tax credits for lower income housing, strong training programs and yes, cash assistance for things like daycare, are what is needed.

    Read the study.

    You hit the nail on the head:
    "The solutions are there, it just takes some political will to address."



    My gripe is that the crooks in Sacto brag about these numbers and what is frustrating to the people here is that no one in that Capitol building are proposing any of this publicly, wont address any of the issues publicly and they show nothing to give the citizens any confidence that they care about them, yet taxes go up, all the time, with us having no say and everyone is seeing the place go to s, quite literally.

    I'm not even kidding about the Bay area homeless issue exploding at the same time that the state's trash cans stop allowing themselves to walked on and allowing the elite to bus their trash into the area and make it an abhorrent place to live because that was the best solution that area could muster. They've stopped doing it, their crime rate and homeless issue has become mainstream news and Modesto and the surround Valley area has seen a noticeable decline in crime. Coincidence? NO, direct correlation.


    Again, I don't struggle, but I don't live as comfortably as I should be and I don't think any state should be exclusive to 1%ers the way this state has become. And all the meanwhile, we have the guys who keep getting richer and richer in Sac brag about their accomplishments while the state keeps eroding and the crook that's in charge, who keeps bragging about his numbers and accomplishments is more concerned with everything else except the people who elected him.

    You can't feel the way we feel out here because you don't live here. I'm active in my community both personally and on a business level. Too many people feel this way in this state to ignore. The stats aren't favorable either. Our NFIB meeting a few months ago showed us what's happened- the state is untenable for small business as well. 250K jobs GONE. Not for the businesses, for the state. The jobs just went over state borders. We grew 15% just the last year by moving our jobs to Idaho and the societal issues are statistical proof to us:

    (LONG DIATRIBE DELETED AS IT WAS RAMBLING)

    Long story short, it'd really be nice if the guys in Sac would address the issues their citizens here face, that are getting worse with every passing day, instead of focusing on singing their own praises and thumbing their noses at the show in Washington DC while their house is a ing mess and the tenants are fed up with it, specifically the ones that are marginalized, that are treated like their door mat because they aren't the Bay or SoCal. When the doormats and trashcans decide to stop being that, look what happens. San Francisco falling apart is because the others had enough of taking their trash and that comparison can hold true for the population of this state getting the shaft from those guys.

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    LOL at liberal thought that "big government" leads to investment/lifting people out of poverty.
    How the War on Poverty Succeeded (in Four Charts)

    If you measure poverty properly, which is only now being done, you find that

    the poverty rate has fallen pretty dramatically since the middle of the nineteen-sixties.

    Indeed, according to an important new study by a group of economists at Columbia University,

    it has dropped by forty per cent.

    The main driver of this fall, in fact, has been the very type of anti-poverty programs that L.B.J. championed:

    food stamps and

    housing subsidies,

    Social Security and

    Medicare, and

    generous income subsidies,

    in the form of tax credits, for the low-paid.


    these qualifications don’t detract from the basic conclusions of the study:

    “Our estimates…show that historical trends in poverty have been more favorable—and that

    government programs have played a larger role—than [previous] estimates suggest…

    Government programs today are cutting poverty nearly in half (from 29% to 16%) while

    in 1967 they only cut poverty by about one percentage point.”

    The next time Paul Ryan (or any other Republican luminary) starts talking about poverty, and anti-poverty programs,

    somebody should ask him if he knows what he is talking about.

    The evidence suggests he doesn’t.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-...in-four-charts

    Paul Ryan, Repugs, oligarchy want to destroy the above govt safety net to "pay for" the oligarchy's tax cut.



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    How predatory lenders eat the poor

    http://theweek.com/articles/782721/h...nders-eat-poor

    Can't make the rent?

    get a payday loan and end up on the street



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    You hit the nail on the head:
    "The solutions are there, it just takes some political will to address."



    My gripe is that the crooks in Sacto brag about these numbers and what is frustrating to the people here is that no one in that Capitol building are proposing any of this publicly, wont address any of the issues publicly and they show nothing to give the citizens any confidence that they care about them, yet taxes go up, all the time, with us having no say and everyone is seeing the place go to s, quite literally.

    I'm not even kidding about the Bay area homeless issue exploding at the same time that the state's trash cans stop allowing themselves to walked on and allowing the elite to bus their trash into the area and make it an abhorrent place to live because that was the best solution that area could muster. They've stopped doing it, their crime rate and homeless issue has become mainstream news and Modesto and the surround Valley area has seen a noticeable decline in crime. Coincidence? NO, direct correlation.


    Again, I don't struggle, but I don't live as comfortably as I should be and I don't think any state should be exclusive to 1%ers the way this state has become. And all the meanwhile, we have the guys who keep getting richer and richer in Sac brag about their accomplishments while the state keeps eroding and the crook that's in charge, who keeps bragging about his numbers and accomplishments is more concerned with everything else except the people who elected him.

    You can't feel the way we feel out here because you don't live here. I'm active in my community both personally and on a business level. Too many people feel this way in this state to ignore. The stats aren't favorable either. Our NFIB meeting a few months ago showed us what's happened- the state is untenable for small business as well. 250K jobs GONE. Not for the businesses, for the state. The jobs just went over state borders. We grew 15% just the last year by moving our jobs to Idaho and the societal issues are statistical proof to us:

    (LONG DIATRIBE DELETED AS IT WAS RAMBLING)

    Long story short, it'd really be nice if the guys in Sac would address the issues their citizens here face, that are getting worse with every passing day, instead of focusing on singing their own praises and thumbing their noses at the show in Washington DC while their house is a ing mess and the tenants are fed up with it, specifically the ones that are marginalized, that are treated like their door mat because they aren't the Bay or SoCal. When the doormats and trashcans decide to stop being that, look what happens. San Francisco falling apart is because the others had enough of taking their trash and that comparison can hold true for the population of this state getting the shaft from those guys.
    Again, thanks for your time. I do appreciate it, and I agree with a fair amount of it.

    Kicking the can down the road is stupid, and short sighted. We need solutions, and preferably ones with the best chances of fixing things.

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    Again, thanks for your time. I do appreciate it, and I agree with a fair amount of it.

    Kicking the can down the road is stupid, and short sighted. We need solutions, and preferably ones with the best chances of fixing things.

    I know I can be a per par with most posters here, but the last thing I ever want to be mistaken for is stupid when I'm passionate about things. I really do appreciate the civility and why you're one of the few I will afford the few posts I muster when being serious here.

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    How the War on Poverty Succeeded (in Four Charts)

    If you measure poverty properly, which is only now being done, you find that

    the poverty rate has fallen pretty dramatically since the middle of the nineteen-sixties.

    Indeed, according to an important new study by a group of economists at Columbia University,

    it has dropped by forty per cent.

    The main driver of this fall, in fact, has been the very type of anti-poverty programs that L.B.J. championed:

    food stamps and

    housing subsidies,

    Social Security and

    Medicare, and

    generous income subsidies,

    in the form of tax credits, for the low-paid.


    these qualifications don’t detract from the basic conclusions of the study:

    “Our estimates…show that historical trends in poverty have been more favorable—and that

    government programs have played a larger role—than [previous] estimates suggest…

    Government programs today are cutting poverty nearly in half (from 29% to 16%) while

    in 1967 they only cut poverty by about one percentage point.”

    The next time Paul Ryan (or any other Republican luminary) starts talking about poverty, and anti-poverty programs,

    somebody should ask him if he knows what he is talking about.

    The evidence suggests he doesn’t.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-...in-four-charts

    Paul Ryan, Repugs, oligarchy want to destroy the above govt safety net to "pay for" the oligarchy's tax cut.


    Pick a side, bou. Either the sky is falling, the US is (in your terms) f****d/f******e and OLIGARCHY OR poverty rate has dropped by 40% and things aren't so bad. It can't be the worst of times in both cases.

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    Pick a side, bou. Either the sky is falling, the US is (in your terms) f****d/f******e and OLIGARCHY OR poverty rate has dropped by 40% and things aren't so bad. It can't be the worst of times in both cases.
    My side is clear. You People who say War on Poverty failed and therefore kill the safety net: not my side.

    50M in or near poverty still has to be attacked, is a huge failure by America.

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