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    A Mavs fan at the bottom of that post said it perfectly. If this was what was going on, the Spurs wouldn't be acting like Kawhi being out makes no sense. They aren't s to their players. In the very least, they'd understand WHAT Kawhi is doing in NY and that it would take long enough to rule him out for the season. If this post is correct, he wouldn't be doing this "will he or won't he" crap. The doctor would tell him that it takes 6-9 months to heal, and that's that. This uncertainty might be coming from Kawhi being desperate to get back on the court, but after having to supposedly find a doctor to even say he was still injured, it wouldn't make sense for him to try to go around this recovery projections.

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    jabri old is a ing retard duncan was the epitome of going to work to be great and going home to his family

    That a stupid post
    It was a stupid tweet that seemed odd at the time. Initially (since you are acting like it's new), it was interpreted as Kawhi being "new NBA" in his concerns, and that he wasn't going to do the whole "Pop is my dad" thing and let the team control his career. My post considers that it could have meant that Kawhi wasn't going to accept the team's diagnosis of his long-term role, including potentially playing the rest of his career with some apparatus on his quad like how Tim played with at least one brace for most of his career. Kawhi "being the same from Day 1" could mean he was always "self-centered", or it could also mean "he's not crippled".

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    I'm starting to think the Spurs believe Kawhi has a chronic injury, and it's Leonard himself who thinks he's healthier than he is. That seems like bizarro-world shit, but think about it: The Spurs scout Kawhi and know he has a persistent quad issue, but they draft him anyway because they think they can manage it. It flares up a couple of times, but for the most part, it's fine for the first six years. Then this summer it comes back and doesn't go away. The team eventually (rather quickly) concludes that this is just Leonard's life now. He's going to have to deal with pain and may not have the same athletic ceiling. But with enough precautions, he can still have a career, maybe even a HoF-level career from here on out. So coming to the conclusion that he'll never be the same again, they "clear" him to come back as the player they feel he is just going to be from now on.

    Leonard, on the verge of a supermax, gets this prognosis and freaks out. He thinks he's just hurt, and if he can just get enough time to heal and rehab, he'll be fine. But time goes on, it doesn't get better. He tries to play through it but hates how he looks on the court. Facing real NBA mortality a decade too soon, he bolts town and tries to find someone who can get him back to who he used to be. Multiple specialists tell him that the Spurs weren't wrong, but eventually some or one of them comes up with a plan. So Leonard has been trying to do that, but as time goes on and nothing works (or as Danny put it, Kawhi has "setbacks"), his attitude becomes more and more toxic and withdrawn. It certainly doesn't he could feel/have been led to feel that this whole diagnosis is a ploy to get Kawhi on the cheap (since a permanently hobbled Leonard is not a supermax guy).

    So in this case, a lot of Pop's words feel different. A lot of the sickness and disgust he's shown comes from witnessing his star player spiral. The "player-only" meeting was so tense because Kawhi returning as is is pretty much admitting to himself that the team is right about his future, which he won't accept. Tony saying his injury was "100 times worse", is an attempt at consolation and hope, not a diss. The team wanting to move on with their season was an attempt to give Kawhi space and end would likely be grueling and ineffective rehab attempts. Danny's remarks are him truthfully reporting as much as he can without getting into the nature of Kawhi's injury (if he even knows). Even this makes a different level of sense in this scenario:
    Damn...


    But what’s the end game with all this?

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    It's better to keep making new threads, and abandon them once duncan2k5 and YGWHI show up

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    A comprehensive rundown on Leonard. Tldr, we overeacted

    https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comment...ummary_of_the/
    thanks for sharing that... nice summary. crazy to think someone spent all that time doing all that research and compiling it together with quotes.
    It's better than many so called reporter articles.

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    I'm starting to think the Spurs believe Kawhi has a chronic injury, and it's Leonard himself who thinks he's healthier than he is. That seems like bizarro-world shit, but think about it: The Spurs scout Kawhi and know he has a persistent quad issue, but they draft him anyway because they think they can manage it. It flares up a couple of times, but for the most part, it's fine for the first six years. Then this summer it comes back and doesn't go away. The team eventually (rather quickly) concludes that this is just Leonard's life now. He's going to have to deal with pain and may not have the same athletic ceiling. But with enough precautions, he can still have a career, maybe even a HoF-level career from here on out. So coming to the conclusion that he'll never be the same again, they "clear" him to come back as the player they feel he is just going to be from now on.

    Leonard, on the verge of a supermax, gets this prognosis and freaks out. He thinks he's just hurt, and if he can just get enough time to heal and rehab, he'll be fine. But time goes on, it doesn't get better. He tries to play through it but hates how he looks on the court. Facing real NBA mortality a decade too soon, he bolts town and tries to find someone who can get him back to who he used to be. Multiple specialists tell him that the Spurs weren't wrong, but eventually some or one of them comes up with a plan. So Leonard has been trying to do that, but as time goes on and nothing works (or as Danny put it, Kawhi has "setbacks"), his attitude becomes more and more toxic and withdrawn. It certainly doesn't he could feel/have been led to feel that this whole diagnosis is a ploy to get Kawhi on the cheap (since a permanently hobbled Leonard is not a supermax guy).

    So in this case, a lot of Pop's words feel different. A lot of the sickness and disgust he's shown comes from witnessing his star player spiral. The "player-only" meeting was so tense because Kawhi returning as is is pretty much admitting to himself that the team is right about his future, which he won't accept. Tony saying his injury was "100 times worse", is an attempt at consolation and hope, not a diss. The team wanting to move on with their season was an attempt to give Kawhi space and end would likely be grueling and ineffective rehab attempts. Danny's remarks are him truthfully reporting as much as he can without getting into the nature of Kawhi's injury (if he even knows). Even this makes a different level of sense in this scenario:
    Very plausible explanation. The prospect of losing even some of his greatness (even if he can still be a good player, he won't be his best possible self) can be the cause of anxiety and depression. These last two, coupled with a personality that was already hermetic, can make him even more withdrawn. Tony never struck me as trolling Kawhi (I know the media and some fans, plus the Tony-hater trolls) ended up spinning it for all it's worth, but immediately after saying his injury was worse, Tony also said that he has to stay positive and that in his case it took 8 months, meaning it was a long time rehabbing it still... not something you can accomplish in a third of the season.

    As a side reference, Tony came back, but is not the same guy. He already was in decline for a couple of years but he is not the same he was a year ago. However, Tony has had his full career, his accolades and was already on the downswing. Kawhi was coming up, and his best years were possibly still ahead of him. What Kawhi could lose is not comparable to what Tony lost. But I didn't interpret Tony's statement as ill intentioned. However, from Kawhi's POV, you can see how it could be acidic. And many comments from teammates, however well intentioned might have been in that meeting, could have been ill perceived and ill received. I have to say, if you have ever been in a bad personal place and moment, then you will understand that many things that others say with the best intentions trying to help you end up being irritating or infuriating, until you are ready to accept the truth that you don't want to deal with.

    The fact the injury is not getting better after such a long time, or rather, that it has gotten better and then worse, that he has said he's ready to play to then backpedaled, and that he has had setbacks, means something really strange about his injury as you speculate. It may indeed signal a new state of being for him, that is difficult to even cope with. You know the stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. He might be in between denial, anger and bargaining. Only after he has fully exhausted everything privately that he can and done everything possible that he can, and he is still not better will he reach some state of depression and then finally acceptance.

    I would rather he be back 100%, but bad things happen in life. As I have said, the ramifications of the injury are some of the issues least talked about anywhere. And for obvious reasons the medical details are closely guarded, but it changes the perspective on the whole situation.
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    A comprehensive rundown on Leonard. Tldr, we overeacted

    https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comment...ummary_of_the/
    Great summary...

    TBH there is way too much overreaction in Spurs Kingdom... losing will do that.
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    Damn...


    But what’s the end game with all this?
    For Kawhi or the Spurs?
    For Kawhi, he's still trying to get healthy... He may never be the same player as he was before the injury got to this state. There can be irreversible damage but he's trying to get back to 100% and failing that, determining what is going to be the new normal.

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    For Kawhi or the Spurs?
    For Kawhi, he's still trying to get healthy... He may never be the same player as he was before the injury got to this state. There can be irreversible damage but he's trying to get back to 100% and failing that, determining what is going to be the new normal.
    Both. I do believe out of all the theories this one is the most accurate..it makes sense regarding eveguthing..

    But at the end of the day that contract extension still looms..and that’s what I asked Chinook..it’s gonns come down to that contract if he’s a Spur or not.

    If Spurs think he’s somewhat damaged goods do they offer it? But the other option isn’t appealing either cause if he’s damaged goods will trade value be worth it??

    But this perspective makes the most sense on the beef, misdiagnosis, not being around..Kawhi has a timetable to get right...that’s his focus

    But the media loves controversy cause controversy sells

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    Damn...


    But what’s the end game with all this?
    My guess is one of two things: Either Kawhi accepts his new normal and continues his career with the Spurs (for maybe less than the DPE), or the Spurs trade Kawhi. If the latter happens, it could go in a number of different directions, but that's not really our concern now. Essentially either he buys into the Spurs' idea for the rest of his career, or he doesn't.

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    I have no doubt Kawhi is injured, if he could play he would BUT this does not excuse to cut all relations with Spurs, press and fans... how much would it cost to him to do a podcast of 30 mn to explain in details what it is happening, why he can't be with the team and how he respects the Spurs and his teammates ? There is 0 excuse for that.


    Letting rumors inflate is just being an ass to the team

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    So many conspiracy theories. This shit is exhausting. Can't wait until he's traded or resigned... whichever side the coin flips.

    (I'm leaning towards being resigned.)

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    no... anyone would rather he be an autistic disgruntled antisocial but still an MVP caliber player that was balling huge this year, than some schmuck with a sore leg that can't wipe his ass yet.
    This is the media being dumb and refusing to see things that are right in front of them.

    But underneath the surface argument, I don't know if anyone saw it... is that the Spurs are getting lowballed to hell offers for Kawhi... that part I definitely caught

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    Wouldn't his value be higher if they pushed the theory/idea that he's disgruntled?

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    more PATFO semen shielding and gy fake-intellectual takes from PoundingTheCock:

    https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018...purs-ambiguity

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    That's idiotic. A disgruntled player can still play. A seriously injured player is a lot riskier.
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    From back in 1/18/2018 after he was announced to be out indefinitely. The guy posted from a radio host he heard about, there was some discussion in the thread about it and he was confirmed to be a sports radio show host. I never quite forgot what he said about this injury and since then have truly believed the injury is at the root of all the problems. It didn't sound good then and 3 months later it still doesn't.

    Sorry if anything like this has already been posted but I haven't been able to read the board in a few days and have just a few minutes to post before I have to pretend to work...

    Dallas radio host, who is a big spurs fan, just said he spoke to a source he has with in the spurs. This is what he was told about the kawhi injury

    - There is serious angst amongst the spurs and kawhi over the injury. Kawhi feels the spurs mishandled the injury last year and is now using his own doctors for treatment

    - Because he's not using team doctors the spurs have been silent about him bc they don't have much information themselves and are kinda in the dark

    - The reports they have are not good. They are saying it's severe tendinitis and are using words like diseased and degenerative

    - There is real fear that kawhi will never be able to play 82 games again and that he will likely deal with this for the rest of his career.

    - Finally, he said he was told to expect kawhi to be out at least 4 to 5 weeks this go around.

    So yeah. That's the info he dropped. Hes not a random dude and I fully trust he has sources that are in the know on this stuff. If it's all true 5uts super depressing

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    My guess is one of two things: Either Kawhi accepts his new normal and continues his career with the Spurs (for maybe less than the DPE), or the Spurs trade Kawhi. If the latter happens, it could go in a number of different directions, but that's not really our concern now. Essentially either he buys into the Spurs' idea for the rest of his career, or he doesn't.
    He wouldn't pass a physical, so the trade would be canceled.
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    BUT this does not excuse to cut all relations with Spurs, press and fans...
    what about Isiah Thomas' relations with LA fans and Hayward's with press? Did Gordon visit a home game with the bucks?

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    He wouldn't pass a physical, so the trade would be canceled.
    a) Yes he would and b) Even if he wouldn't, so long as SA is upfront about what will fail him, the receiving team will overlook that part.

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    no... anyone would rather he be an autistic disgruntled antisocial but still an MVP caliber player that was balling huge this year, than some schmuck with a sore leg that can't wipe his ass yet.
    This is the media being dumb and refusing to see things that are right in front of them.

    But underneath the surface argument, I don't know if anyone saw it... is that the Spurs are getting lowballed to hell offers for Kawhi... that part I definitely caught
    that's not what i got from reading that statement at all.
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    He wouldn't pass a physical, so the trade would be canceled.
    the celtics were not totally upfront about thomas with cleveland but the cavs knew there were risks and pulled the trigger anyway. the disgruntled aspect give leverage to the spurs, imho, because it creates a narrative that it's not the injury that kept leonard from playing but the attitude instead. this would make some GMs make the trade because leonard would pass the physical. now, what leonard would answer when asked "are you going to be ready at the start of next season?" is a wholly different matter.

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    Lots of teams are going to jump on a trade for Kawhi if there team doctors clear him

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    what about Isiah Thomas' relations with LA fans and Hayward's with press? Did Gordon visit a home game with the bucks?
    wtf ? now Thomas, LA, Bucks and Hayward are the new stantard ? smh

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