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    I'll tumble for ya Chris Fall's Avatar
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    There is an interesting piece on ESPN about the legacy of Chamberlain vs Russell. Most look at these two guys fairly evenly, but when you look at the two statistically,Wilt almost doubles Russell. The big difference? Russell played on one team, while Wilt played on many.
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    There is an interesting piece on ESPN about the legacy of Chamberlain vs Russell. Most look at these two guys fairly evenly, but when you look at the two statistically,Wilt almost doubles Russell. The big difference? Russell played on one team, while Wilt played on many. Because of this James and Durant will always be in the shadow of even Kobe. Future generations will see that he played with one team and that gets extra points when it comes to the legacy perception.
    Duncan too. Ultimate franchise player.

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    Future generations don’t give a shit how many teams you played for if you were great and you won. Who holds the Washington Wizards stint against Jordan? Who cares that Gretzky played for FIVE different NHL teams? Who knocks Joe Montana down in the ranks because he was a Chief? Kareem, Griffey, Pedro, Dream, Albert, Rice, Shaq... the list is long with all time greats.

    It really don’t matter, big picture. Maybe it matters some to the specific fans of teams they played for or won titles with... but only in the moment. The perception thing is overblown. That is a “now” thing, and immediate, impulse reaction argument. Future generations don’t care.

    Be great. Win. That’s it.

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    The counter argument is that Russell played with many great players while Wilt did not. The point remains the same that Wilt was a superior player but not in regards to legacy.
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    Imagine if Magic played half his career with other teams or Larry Bird bounced around to the highest bidder. The great rivalry games become just another game.

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    Applying old standards to modern players doesn't make any sense..

    If LeBron had stayed in Cleveland his entire career, he likely retires with 0 rings, despite his ability..why are players obligated to show loyalty to poorly managed organizations just to appease old fans?

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    I don't penalize players for switching teams, but it's an extra bonus for those who stay the franchise player with one team.

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    I'll tumble for ya Chris Fall's Avatar
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    The counter argument is that Russell played with many great players while Wilt did not. The point remains the same that Wilt was a superior player but not in regards to legacy.
    Your point was that the big difference was Russell played for one team. Iím saying thatís not the big difference. Itís winning championships that makes up the difference from individual statistics. If everything else stays the same with Russellís career statistically, staying in Boston, but he wins 2 titles instead of 11, Wilt universally would be regarded as the better player and rather significantly. Russell being on the same team his whole career would mean nothing.

    Staying with one team team for an entire professional athletic career makes for a nice story, good emotional tie with the team and its fans, loyalty and nostalgia. Itís not a reason why one player would be regarded better than another. I think itís a stretch to even suggest it makes a difference at all, even in perception. The three greatest baseball players ever (consensus), Babe, Mays, Aaron all played for multiple teams. Didnít hurt their legacy. Babe played for the two teams in the greatest rivalry in the history of the game. Legacy unchanged. Jordan and Kareem both often listed as the two greatest basketball players ever. Both played for two teams. LeBron is not out of place. Wayne Gretzky, the greatest hockey player ever, played for four different NHL teams. Before Brady, Montana was the best QB ever. The KC farewell tour didnít change that until a QB WON more than him. Does Jerry Rice get killed for Oakland?

    This argument about what staying with one team does for the legacy of a player is complet horseshit.

    Be great. Win. Thatís it.

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    He's going to retire with multiple rings, MVPs, Final MVPs, a scoring title, most All-NBA 1st teams, most playoff points, 2nd most playoff assists, most/2nd most regular season points, biggest NBA Finals comeback etc. No one will care if he stayed with one team or not.
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    Lebron doesn't give a fuck what middle class white men think. He's trying to build wealth, not legacy. No one gives two shits how cool the homeless man on the corner is, but a 90 year old billionaire gets his wrinkled old dick sucked on the regular by strippers because he's wealthy.

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    Imagine if Magic played half his career with other teams or Larry Bird bounced around to the highest bidder. The great rivalry games become just another game.
    Imagine if Magic sucked one fewer dick, Lakers might have eclipsed the Celtics in championships.

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    Imagine if Magic played half his career with other teams or Larry Bird bounced around to the highest bidder. The great rivalry games become just another game.
    They didn't have to

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    Lebron doesn't give a fuck what middle class white men think. He's trying to build wealth, not legacy. No one gives two shits how cool the homeless man on the corner is, but a 90 year old billionaire gets his wrinkled old dick sucked on the regular by strippers because he's wealthy.
    No positive image = less wealth.

    His activism is so the press suck his dick, not about being real.
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    retards thought LeGOAT was done winning. he just took a year off instead of two like MJ
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    Does this scrub return to the playoffs or permanently relegated to begging & whining on Twitter during the postseason?
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    LeBrick is the most overrated athlete in the history of sports. Sure, he was a hell of a physical specimen, paid off the league to allow him to juice, was never clutch like Jordan or Kobe, and is 3/9 (.333 ) in the Finals.
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