Shams: Spurs & Toronto Engaged in Serious Trade Talks Centered Around Kawhi & DeRozan

[Kawhitstorm]

Lowry's only a better 3-point shooter, play maker, rebounder and defender and rates as superior in virtually every catch all advanced stat. But who needs all that when you got volume scoring. What is this, 1998?

Either not closely enough or they're archaic/swayed by politics.

No, he didn't.

Cunningham has spent 60, 74 and 70% respectively at SF, in 3 of the past 4 seasons, making 158 starts in that time. Pop was starting 3 and D wings before it became in vogue and though not a legit starter or wing, he's the closest this team has to that. I'd say that's pretty sound logic.

I said DeRozan-Millsap is debatable and about context. Still don't have basic reading comprehension, I see.

Condolences, I'm glad I don't have to deal w/ those tyFO fluffers

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Condolences, I'm glad I don't have to deal w/ those tyFO fluffers

GTFO Apo!

[apalisoc_9]

Lowry has been the Raps best player for two seasons now.

I get that you have 3 kids now timvp, you dont have to pretend you watch as much as before.

Lebron
KD
Kawhi
Steph
Westhrook
Harden
Giannis
Lillard
George
Thompson
Butler
Gobert
Irving
Davis

And about 7-8 more players can be dabted that they're all better like Jokic etc.

TIMVP really think this dude is close to a top 10 player. Shows you how he hasent been follpwing the league after all.

Even oladipo had a better season

[cutewizard]

Lowry has been the Raps best player for two seasons now.

I get that you have 3 kids now timvp, you dont have to pretend you watch as much as before.

Lebron
KD
Kawhi
Steph
Westhrook
Harden
Giannis
Lillard
George
Thompson
Butler
Gobert
Irving
Davis

And about 7-8 more players can be dabted that they're all better like Jokic etc.

TIMVP really think this dude is close to a top 10 player. Shows you how he hasent been follpwing the league after all.

Even oladipo had a better season

Kawhi is not top 3.....

Obviously

[cutewizard]

[Mugen]

I'm gonna be pissed that bag Pau is going to take away rotation minutes from a young big like Poertl.

Current make up of the roster is absolutely atrocious and a lot of guys are going to be playing out of position to their detriment (Derozan, Gay, Poertl, LMA)

[lmbebo]

https://sports.yahoo.com/rumor-celti...120008656.html

In addition to all their own, the Celtics have three extra first-round picks:

• Higher of the Kings’ and 76ers’ in 2019 – unless it’s No. 1, in which case Boston would get the lower of the two picks
• Grizzlies’ top-eight-protected in 2019, top-six-protected in 2020 or unprotected in 2021
• Clippers’ lottery-protected in 2019 and 2020 – though if not conveyed either of those years, it becomes the Clippers’ 2022 second-rounder

That Sacramento pick is a huge asset, and the Memphis pick is sneaky valuable.
Plus, the Celtics would have had to match Leonard’s salary. They really don’t have any bad contracts. Unless they planned to send a drastically overpaid Marcus Smart to San Antonio in a sign-and-trade, their offer must have also included positive-value players.

[BatManu20]

Mouthpiece

[exstatic]

https://sports.yahoo.com/rumor-celti...120008656.html

In addition to all their own, the Celtics have three extra first-round picks:

• Higher of the Kings’ and 76ers’ in 2019 – unless it’s No. 1, in which case Boston would get the lower of the two picks
• Grizzlies’ top-eight-protected in 2019, top-six-protected in 2020 or unprotected in 2021
• Clippers’ lottery-protected in 2019 and 2020 – though if not conveyed either of those years, it becomes the Clippers’ 2022 second-rounder

That Sacramento pick is a huge asset, and the Memphis pick is sneaky valuable.
Plus, the Celtics would have had to match Leonard’s salary. They really don’t have any bad contracts. Unless they planned to send a drastically overpaid Marcus Smart to San Antonio in a sign-and-trade, their offer must have also included positive-value players.

That was exactly what was rumored.

[gospursgojas]

Mouthpiece

What uncle Dennis have Jabrari say today?

[bklynspursfan]

[SpursforSix]

[gambit1990]

how untouchable was siakam? the dude put up 33/14/4 tonight on 60% shooting.

[spursistan]

RC got wrecked in this trade. Sorry to say it.

I don't care if it was a rental. Trading a legit Top 3-5 player in the world + All-NBA defender (with great reputation among 'woke' GMs/VORP twitter) on a friendly contract for an empty calories serial playoff choker on big money + 3rd string big was complete heist by Masai.

It is not like the were no perception that Toronto needed to shake it up themselves by moving Derozan. So a failure from our part to include Gasol or Mills instead of Green (who could have been traded for an asset to a contender later on) is truly unforgivable.

[BatManu20]

Spurs were always going to get worked in this trade. You have nephew to thank for that.

[Rusty]

Well if Kawhi walks, Toronto loses the trade as well

[Deano]

Well if Kawhi walks, Toronto loses the trade as well

Not really. They dumped Derozan's $30 mil contract

[DPG21920]

Bump

[Ariel]

A recap of the original trade and follow ups:

1. Traded Kawhi Leonard + Danny Green to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan + Jakob Poeltl + Toronto's 2019 1st round pick.
2. Drafted Keldon Johnson using Toronto's 2019 1st (#29)
3. Got Detroit's 2022 1st by taking in Hutchinson
4. Traded DDR for Thaddeus Young + Al Farouq Aminu + Chicago's 2025 1st (protected 10/8/8) + Lakers 2022 2nd + Chicago's 2025 2nd
5. Traded Thaddeus Young + Eubanks + Detroit's 2022 2nd for Toronto's 2022 1st + Goran Dragic
6. Drafted Branham using Toronto's 2022 1st (#20)
7. Traded Lakers' 2022 2nd for Lakers' 2024 2nd (by drafting Kennedy Chandler and trading his rights to Memphis)

So to this date the balance is something like this:
COSTS:

• One year's worth of Kawhi Leonard (was gone anyway)
• Danny Green (31 y.o.)
• Drew Eubanks ()
• took in the expiring contracts of Hutchinson, Aminu, Young (half a season) & Dragic (half a season)

BENEFITS:

• 3 seasons of DDR (hey... it's technically accurate...)
• Jakob Poeltl (4 seasons + whatever we can get for him)
• Keldon Johnson (Toronto's 2019 1st)
• Malaki Branham (Toronto's 2022 1st)
• Chicago's 2025 1st (protected 10/8/8)
• Lakers' 2024 2nd
• Chicago's 2025 2nd

Probably the Spurs could have gotten a better deal for Kawhi in the first place, but in time and taking in consideration subsequent moves, the return for what would have been one season of a disgruntled and often injured Leonard doesn't seem too bad, does it?

[DPG21920]

Yup - they made some lemonade at least lately by getting something for DeRozan and letting him go.

[CGD]

Don’t forget the cup of coffee Damare Carrol had here!

Would have been nice if we would have gotten something for Bertans other than the trade exception used to sign Carroll.

[lefty]

LMAO how dumb is Toronto?

Anyways, if we manage to get rid of Pau I will start to get excited

It helped them get their 1st ring, so it worked out ok tbh

[lefty]

Let’s freeze uncle dennis and mute ass to death in Canada. Do it RC.

I hope Jabari and Uncle Dennis both enjoy long ass winters

Got a new ring and they moved to sunny California

Worked out ok tbh

[TD 21]

At the spin jobs. It is the worst trade in the history of at least the NBA and the '19 Craptors are tainted since that iteration would have never existed had S bag's antics not inexplicably been rewarded.

Further destroying their credibility is the Warriors would have beaten them with relative ease had they been remotely healthy.

[lefty20]

Mfs really forgetting that teams were lowballing like crazy cuz Nephew's camp had made it know that there was a 100% chance of him bolting to LA. Even Lakers lowballed us thinking Nephew was guaranteed to land in their lap one way or another.

Fwiw, I do wish that we had rebuilt by trading for trash and picks instead of trying to compete with DDR. But it's not like PATFO were drowning in top tier trade offers and happened to chose the worst one. That's just some revisionist bs.