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    that a players representation can let ego and emotions control the decision making process with the potential of over $200 million at stake.
    Not just that, but that people with the ability (or lack thereof) of his representation were able to get in that position.

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    What I've learned is NBA players should keep family away from handling or representing you and ur finances.

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    Most surprising things:

    The gullibility of spurstalkers to believe Kawhi was really suffering from a mysterious injury. And now spurstalkers claiming that anyone who was calling him out early on was trolling. Kawhi was clearly full of ... too many spurstalkers had blinders on.

    The naivete of spurstalkers regarding national (sports) media. Post after post surprised/shocked/angered by clearly biased unsubstantiated rumors being reported as facts.

    I hope you realize this phenomenon is not limited to sports media. It's much worse at the national news level. It's an agenda-filled, for-profit industry. Don't ever forget that.
    Agreed I have been saying that for years.

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    That Leonard STILL has not spoken one word.
    Are we sure English is his first language?

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    He is definitely not who I thought he was.

    Looking back at videos, behind scene stuff, he looked like the ultimate spur. I mean this really came out of nowhere. I'm curious to find out when he he truly started thinking about wanting to leave. And what's the core reason behind it.

    And most importantly, how did things get SO BAD that he couldn't just wait until free agency to leave on his own terms. Some things just don't add up.

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    there's going to be some real in the next CBA negotiations, owners will not put up with stars essentially voiding the last year or two of their contracts, or holding teams hostages with the new trendy 1+1 deals the upper echelon stars will take going forward...
    This.

    Also, it is impossible to know what was really going on and whether he could have played last year.

    Also, Leonard is injury prone.

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    Everybody always says how good the Spurs organization is, including the media; but as soon as this Kawhi thing started, for some reason, no one gave SA the benefit of the doubt. Most people and media automatically assumed SA handled the situation the wrong way, without even knowing all the facts.

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    Playing Devi...er, Kawhi's Advocate:

    -Pop is nearing retirement, which introduces all kind of uncertainty - what's the continuity plan for coaching staff as well as front office? Why commit long-term when Pop's final season could be the first of a prospective extension? The team's majority owners are divorcing - when's the team up for sale?
    -Core members of the rotation themselves are nearing retirement and behind them are unproven kids and various flotsam and jetsam. What's the plan to win today?
    -SA's attraction as a championship caliber team appearing on national tv starts to fade and then you are left with having to carry more of the load without a strong supporting cast in an ever more compe ive conference, in a small media market.

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    Playing Devi...er, Kawhi's Advocate:

    -Pop is nearing retirement, which introduces all kind of uncertainty - what's the continuity plan for coaching staff as well as front office? Why commit long-term when Pop's final season could be the first of a prospective extension? The team's majority owners are divorcing - when's the team up for sale?
    -Core members of the rotation themselves are nearing retirement and behind them are unproven kids and various flotsam and jetsam. What's the plan to win today?
    -SA's attraction as a championship caliber team appearing on national tv starts to fade and then you are left with having to carry more of the load without a strong supporting cast in an ever more compe ive conference, in a small media market.
    Or its worth 80 million and burning every bridge in sight for a shorter drive to Pacific Palisades.

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    how weak the roster besides him PATFO assembled is, tbh. it took a career 2nd team all NBA year from LMAlpha just to drag these bums into the postseason by a margin of one game
    Not really. He's been All NBA 5 times, second team twice, and his year was comparable to his last year in Portland. It was not any kind of statistical or award winning outlier.

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    What I've learned is NBA players should keep family away from handling or representing you and ur finances.
    This applies to any business or money dealings with family.

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    I have been on record for years stating that I honestly believe that he was socially re ed and that he probably suffered from some social disorder such as Aspergers,Autism, etc. If you don't believe me you can check my posts on him from several years ago. I can't say really the way he handled the situation really surprised me but I will say Uncle Dennis is the one thing that took me off guard. I went into the assumption last summer that Kawhi was this quiet re ed guy but at least he was low maintenance and that the Spurs really didn't have to deal with any drama when handling him. Then suddenly I hear about this Uncle Dennis character who turns out to be the stereotypical uncle that we all have in our families.

    So I would say everything about Uncle Dennis surprised me. This guy was ruthless and determined to use his nephew as a cash cow for his own personal dreams. He waged war on the most successful sports franchise in the last 20 years and destroyed their reputation and foundation. If Kawhi is healthy and goes to the Lakers then unfortunately uncle Dennis won the war and will reap all the benefits. That to me is the toughest pill to swallow that the Spurs lost to this crooked bas . I'm not a fan of Trump but I wish the Spurs had the Trump mentality when handling this POS and Kawhi and went all out to trash them 24/7.
    I'll go with this take. Surprised to find this Uncle that hijacked his career.

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    That he is one real weird mother er.

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    I think this just reinforced the truth about body language and mannerisms being the majority of communication between people. What little came out denied a rift and said otherwise, but looking back at Kawhi's behavior while in the public eye said the real truth.

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    He is definitely not who I thought he was.

    Looking back at videos, behind scene stuff, he looked like the ultimate spur. I mean this really came out of nowhere. I'm curious to find out when he he truly started thinking about wanting to leave. And what's the core reason behind it.

    And most importantly, how did things get SO BAD that he couldn't just wait until free agency to leave on his own terms. Some things just don't add up.
    Started with his trip to China in the previous Summer. That's probably when Uncle Dennis had ideas on marketing his nephew.

    Leonard has never played uninjured his entire career. Considering how much work his been putting in, who knows if he's another Derrick Rose in the making. Rose was gone by his fifth year. Leonard's injury is the 7th year. We'll see if he's healthy!

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    Kawhi went from a humble hard-working superstar to a little that is 100% controlled by other other people (ie. Uncle Dennis) and was willing to on the number one sports franchise in the world, and ruin his reputation at the same time.

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    Without Kawhi talking, all we can do is speculate and wonder what his real reasons were for wanting to leave so badly. Here are my pointless rebuttals to your thoughts.

    Playing Devi...er, Kawhi's Advocate:

    -Pop is nearing retirement, which introduces all kind of uncertainty - what's the continuity plan for coaching staff as well as front office? Why commit long-term when Pop's final season could be the first of a prospective extension? The team's majority owners are divorcing - when's the team up for sale?
    -Kawhi knew Pop would probably at least coach next year, why not wait until your a free agent and leave on your own terms without creating all this drama and tarnishing your brand.

    -Core members of the rotation themselves are nearing retirement and behind them are unproven kids and various flotsam and jetsam. What's the plan to win today?
    It doesn't seem like winning is that huge of an importance for Kawhi because he wanted to go to Los Angeles (before Lebron went over there). Both Clippers and Lakers were worse off than SA. He could've requested to go to Boston, Philly, even Houston to a lesser extent.

    -SA's attraction as a championship caliber team appearing on national tv starts to fade and then you are left with having to carry more of the load without a strong supporting cast in an ever more compe ive conference, in a small media market.
    He would have to carry most of the load in either LA team anyways (again before Lebron went to LA). We will always be a smaller media market than LA, no way around that one. But why not just tell the Spurs that you need help if you feel that you don't want to carry the load. Please do whatever you can to get another all star. Maybe finding a way to get Kyrie last summer would've helped if this was one of the reasons why he wanted to leave?

    Overall, this is a very perplexing situation because based on what we have heard, money and winning don't seem to be a key factor in his wanting to leave.

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    Most surprising things:

    The gullibility of spurstalkers to believe Kawhi was really suffering from a mysterious injury. And now spurstalkers claiming that anyone who was calling him out early on was trolling. Kawhi was clearly full of ... too many spurstalkers had blinders on.
    I'll happily call myself out on this point. I had the blinders on because I liked Kawhi so much and was in denial that this could suddenly happen. I just didn't want to believe it.

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    Kawhi went from a humble hard-working superstar to a little that is 100% controlled by other people (ie. Uncle Dennis) and was willing to on the number one sports franchise in the world, and ruin his reputation at the same time.
    Kawhi only cares about winning basketball games.

    Moving to LA was his family's idea.
    The China tour was his family's idea.
    Shopping for a Doctor to clear his fake injury was his family's idea.

    Now he has to play in Toronto (without his family). That could actually be good for him!

    Pop did him a big favor! He doesn't care about the money! The $81m loss. The shoe deal loss. The only people who cared about that was his toxic family.

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    I think he never got the proper help he needed to get over his dad and kepted everything inside


    pop seemed yesterday he only cared for players what they did on the community side then on the court

    leonard never had camps like green

    pop truly thinks basketball is a game kids play and he gets paid for it

    he does not understand what other people go thru and die and breath the silver and black and want them to win
    their break from life is SPURS
    Starting to think the same thing. And if it's true I do feel for him, but at some point you have to grow up and be a man and speak for yourself. That's part of life. I do think there's a chance he doesn't like what's going on with his new camp and he's either too intimidated of his uncle to do anything about it (not saying that's likely) or he just doesn't know how to tell him and feels like he will cause more harm than good to his family. At which that point it's up to his uncle himself to say hey what I'm doing isn't helping my family maybe I should take a step back. Because if he actually cared that's what he would do I would think.

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    Most surprising things:

    The gullibility of spurstalkers to believe Kawhi was really suffering from a mysterious injury. And now spurstalkers claiming that anyone who was calling him out early on was trolling. Kawhi was clearly full of ... too many spurstalkers had blinders on.

    The naivete of spurstalkers regarding national (sports) media. Post after post surprised/shocked/angered by clearly biased unsubstantiated rumors being reported as facts.

    I hope you realize this phenomenon is not limited to sports media. It's much worse at the national news level. It's an agenda-filled, for-profit industry. Don't ever forget that.
    When this bull all started, tbh I just though Pop was holding him out to screw with the league. I figured Pop wasn't happy with Silver's handling of the Zaza incident. I thought Jalen Rose was just being the meh analyst he is, but here we are months later and he was 100% sharing legit insider info..

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    That Leonard STILL has not spoken one word.
    I still want to hear what Leonard has to say about all this. He's got to speak up eventually right? or is he saving it all for the memoir?

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    Leonard's group likely made a trade demand before the trade deadline last February. By that time Leonard's group was controlling the rehabilitation process. Spurs were caught off guard and thought that they needed to handle him with kid gloves, though they obviously wanted to know what was going on with his health. Spurs likely told Leonard and his group that you need to be out on the court for us to find a trade we'll do, other teams are going to have the same questions we do, so then began the stupid cat and mouse game with when he was going to return, and the Spurs' desire to just declare him out for the season and give him the time to recover without the pressure to return that season.

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    The LEAST surprising thing I learned is that the Spurs as an organization don’t around and don’t get strong armed by amateur groups (impact) or even legendary franchise (AIDS).

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