What i learned thru this saga?
That personality wise, Rodman >>>>>> kawhi
In addition to the thematic insight,
SKILL WISE, Rodman >>>>>>>> kawhi
Rodman was the greatest defensive forward the game has ever seen....
And is light years beyond kawhi
Honestly, I haven’t learned anything definitive about this saga. Both sides are very tight lipped. I doubt if we’ll every know the full story.
Both sides are to blame for this foolishness...both sides. A lot of people want to blame Uncle Dennis, and I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be.
How thin-skinned he apparently is and how he can't think for himself.
That he said ugly things to a few teammates last year.
That he let the departure of Simmons get under his skin.
What Spurs did with the some of the roster did have something to do with it.
What happened in Brooklyn pre game that made Pop sit him indefinitely.
Dedmon and Simmons weren't the brightest and they caused Kawhi to second guess things going on. Cliques will be cliques.
Nothing has been surprising to me. Kawhi hasn't said anything and the media creating stories. That's why I don't watch much tv . I haven't watched any of this on espn, nbatv, or fox becasue I know that no one in the media knows what the they're talking about. All of them are speculating and lying that they have "sources".
that cris carter is more of a than stephen a. is.
Do you know which teammates he said the ugly things to and did he actually tell them they were garbage?
Same thing that Masai Ujiri (Raptors GM) found out.
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/2...-derozan-trade
"“That’s my job. That’s why I am in this seat. To try to figure that part out. I’ve had conversations with Kawhi, his agent and his uncle and everything has gone well. I’m looking forward to meeting them.”
Except his actions spoke louder..
What I learned, or rather, what I was reminded is that...
...not everybody can be Tim Duncan.
I didn't learn this now, but it just confirmed that Duncan was responsible for all the success of this franchise, not some magical system that Pop created, nor RC Buford's drafting ability or Chip Engelland's shot rehab..you would think it was a given, but not if you talk basketball with non-Spurs fans
awesomeness, right here.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s how it started. Kawhis agent, the old agent had also complained when he didn’t sign an extension as soon as he was eligible coming out if his rook contract. If that was how it started the Spurs should have known better. Unfortunately, Kawhi then getting hurt complicated it bc if RC had second thoughts and wanted to backpedal on their offer, new questions arising out if his injury and how the entire thing was managed by the Uncle made things worse. Once Uncle got on his mind about LA, there was no turning back either.
Last edited by SAGirl; 07-23-2018 at 12:38 PM.
I didn't learn this now, but it just confirmed that Duncan was responsible for all the success of this franchise, not some magical system that Pop created, nor RC Buford's drafting ability or Chip Engelland's shot rehab..you would think it was a given, but not if you talk basketball with non-Spurs fans
+1. It made me appreciate him more. Specially bc I wasn’t a fan when he was MVP and in his prime. But Timmy was it until the day he retired.
Robinson was the glue
He even convinced Duncan to stay
That a millionaire grown man, a father, even, can be so incredibly cowardly.
I'm also surprised how far the front office has fallen this year. They seem to be three steps behind every other front office. I'm glad the Spurs got rid of him (the dude is an absolute weirdo), I just wish the front office had been more competent throughout the process.
After the Kawhi drama I don't blame them for staying with the Spurs way. I'd rather have a bunch of slow bums that actually want to be in S.A. than a diva like Kawhi.
Exactly, he held it to together and set the tone. Once he was gone people let their discontent and disagreements with Pop/the FO foster (or leaked them to the media) leading to the last two offseasons.I didn't learn this now, but it just confirmed that Duncan was responsible for all the success of this franchise, not some magical system that Pop created, nor RC Buford's drafting ability or Chip Engelland's shot rehab..you would think it was a given, but not if you talk basketball with non-Spurs fans
Anyone that says Duncan isn't the greatest leader since Bill Russell or that he's a top 5 player all - time should be laughed at.
Also, this "saga" proved Leonard doesn't have the for ude or leadership skills to carry a (small - market) franchise like a Duncan, Robinson or Gervin. Gullible, easily manipulated and apparently was more of a malcontent than he ever led on.
Last point, Pop and RC need to also do a better job of keeping the lines of communication open with all players. Allowing the situation to build for so much time (allegedly) and turn so "ugly" is on them.
Bull HH. It doesn't happen without Duncan, because...Tim Effin Duncan...but all of those other factors were a part of the Spurs greatness. It's silly to pretend that they weren't crucial to the overall team success. The beautiful game simply doesn't happen without Pop, et. al.I didn't learn this now, but it just confirmed that Duncan was responsible for all the success of this franchise, not some magical system that Pop created, nor RC Buford's drafting ability or Chip Engelland's shot rehab..you would think it was a given, but not if you talk basketball with non-Spurs fans
Pop and all coaches need a Little General to keep the locker room in line. Spurs went from Duncan to nothing - Parker and Manu are awkward foreigners, they can't charm Team USA snakes
Duncan was the constant and most important variable. Not Pop's coaching, R.C.'s drafting/signing or even Tony, Manu or Robinson.
He was a franchise transitioning piece and the last two summers (since his retirement) prove his importance. I hate speaking in hypotheticals, but I seriously doubt LaMarcus and Kawhi pull this with Timmy still in the fold.
Also, Pop and R.C. knew they also had Duncan preaching the company line and setting the example.
They thought they had that with Leonard, but clearly he's easily influenced by internal (Simmons & Dedmon?) and external forces.
, Timmy was able to block out his ex - wife cheating on him, a financial advisor swindling him and a divorce while still leading the team!
He also played with a box of rocks for brains like Stephen Jackson (ala Simmons/Dedmon) and that didn't sour his relationship with Pop/R.C.
Last edited by J_Paco; 07-23-2018 at 01:13 PM.
Agree for the most part. I think it was not only his locker room leadership, but mostly he was a great player on both sides of the court and a leader on the court. He had a knack for being in the right place and just a super high by BB IQ. ,
At the same time I'm not going to write off PATFO's accomplishments and call them overrated just because of the whole Leonard thing. And the Spurs did keep winning without Duncan. Not a championship, but making the playoffs and being compe ive.
Everyone was important and played their position/role, but recently the media has attempted to give most, if not all, the credit for the team's success to Pop and his vaunted "system" (to a lesser extent also to R.C.).
This "saga" helps to put the team's success in better context and that Duncan was the most important piece (on and off the court).
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