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    that's an easy one actually. tax wealth (investors) commensurately with labor(workers).

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...lthy-investors

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    Funding doesn't matter. Seize the means of housing.

    New York City is experiencing the highest rate of homelessness since the Great Depression.

    For every 1 person experiencing homelessness here, there are ~3 vacant apartments.

    Inequality is a crisis, and a bold, 21st-century effort on poverty must advance.

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    the solution for homelessness is more housing, true.

    Salt Lake City and San Diego have put forward solutions far short of confiscation with favorable results.

    seems if cities invest in taking care of basic needs like housing, costs are saved elsewhere.

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    incarceration, uninsured emergency room visits to name two.

    makes it somewhat easier to get a job. there are a number of plusses to putting a roof over people's heads.

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    I disagree that revenue doesn't matter. Tax equity counts for a lot. The tax code is skewed against workers in favor of rentiers.

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    Mexico will pay for it.

    They built our wall, right?

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    Mexico will pay for it.

    They built our wall, right?
    Democratic Socialists for the wall


    Ezra Klein
    You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the US are considered out of political bounds. Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. About sharply increasing ...

    Bernie Sanders
    Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal.

    Ezra Klein
    Really?

    Bernie Sanders
    Of course. That's a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States. ...

    Ezra Klein
    But it would make ...

    Bernie Sanders
    Excuse me ...

    Ezra Klein
    It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?

    Bernie Sanders
    It would make everybody in America poorer —you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that.

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    believe it or not, there are reasonable positions between "open borders" and "zero tolerance"

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    it may shock you that socialists would propound such things, but it shouldn't

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    it may shock you that socialists would propound such things, but it shouldn't
    Democratic. You can't forget that.

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    Democratic Socialists for the wall


    So Mexico won’t pay for free college for all US High Schoolers?

    Damn it.
    Only walls.
    Wait... Not even walls...
    Scratch that Orange plan.

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    Democratic. You can't forget that.
    oh, why not?

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    a Mercatus study scored Medicare for All, with a startling result:

    According to the Mercatus model, total health spending wouldactually come in about $303 billion lower in 2031 than under current projections, with $7.35 trillion going to healthcare that year versus $7.65 trillion expected now. Total national health spending would be $2 trillion lower from 2022 to 2031 under the plan, the report found.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/bern...e-money-2018-7

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    so, the buying power of the US government could be used to pay for a lot too.

    it's notable that the Mercatus study pegs administrative costs well above Medicare's current 2% rate, so the savings estimate could be on the conservative side.

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    It's cute how Republicans have found their new boogeywoman. Most people have never heard of her but she's a household name with the 70+ Fox News crowd.

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    It's cute how Republicans have found their new boogeywoman. Most people have never heard of her but she's a household name with the 70+ Fox News crowd.
    all Repug/oligarchy alternatives, all opposition to white male Christian supremacy will delegitimized, even dehumanized ("infested", "animals") as part of the oligarchy's strategy of making USA a one party autocracy, in fact, if not in name.

    There will be no "loyal (to country) opposition" allowed, because for the oligarchy, "country" is bull , unimportant compared to their supranational power to ac ulate Capital without limit.

    The oligarchy is winning and is unstoppable, irreversible.

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    it's also super cute how establishment pols on both sides of the aisle act there's no possible way for the USA -- the richest country in the whole history of countries --to pay for things that every other rich country in the world can afford.

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    It's cute how Republicans have found their new boogeywoman. Most people have never heard of her but she's a household name with the 70+ Fox News crowd.
    So was Dave Brat, his win was even more momentous. Hardly anyone mentions him now. The DSA may only be the Dems' Tea Party moment.

    Prepare to be assimilated.

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    that's an easy one actually. tax wealth (investors) commensurately with labor(workers).

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...lthy-investors
    For most people, who are already spending $1000s on health insurance a month (for families etc), the costs would quite possibly be less, based on the analysis of Medicare for all.

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    a Mercatus study scored Medicare for All, with a startling result:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bern...e-money-2018-7
    Yeah, that one.

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    medicare for all would be financed as payroll tax just as Medicare, workman's comp, SS are now

    AND

    all income, earned and unearned, would be subject to the Medicare levy.

    ing Capitalists don't get no more free rides while Labor pays full freight.

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    Whats to explain? The government becomes Santa Clause and starts giving out free stuff; free college, free healthcare, $15 minimum wages, and then even UBI for people who cant find a job in an economy with 3% unemployment. Its not complicated people

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    Whats to explain? The government becomes Santa Clause and starts giving out free stuff; free college, free healthcare, $15 minimum wages, and then even UBI for people who cant find a job in an economy with 3% unemployment. Its not complicated people
    Dont forget free wages for our farmers

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    Dont forget free wages for our farmers
    Ahhh the poor farmers...Its only welfare if the wrong people are getting it

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