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    look how big the area of dire social unrest is

    DID YOU SEE THE TRASH FIRE THO?

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    How many times do you see the word "graffiti" here? This letter furnished a pretext for Trump's fascist paramilitary surge in Democratic strongholds.

    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/...lence-portland
    You said it was just "graffiti".

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    You said it was just "graffiti".
    There are also trash fires.

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    Obviously Democrats.


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    You said it was just "graffiti".
    Actually, that's a hostile inference. Mostly peaceful has been my take all along.

    Democracy is messy, like Donald Rumsfeld once said.

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    Yeah, brought the whole building down.

    Thousands killed.

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    Legit impressed by all the things chris and derp are able to post here that aren’t fascism

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    The term "fascism" gets thrown around way too loosely, tbh. By all sides.

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    The term "fascism" gets thrown around way too loosely, tbh. By all sides.
    Nah, fits this case. Unsurprising you can't see it.

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    The term "fascism" gets thrown around way too loosely, tbh. By all sides.
    how do you define fascism

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    Umberto Eco's 14 signs of Ur Fascism work for me.

    1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition. Traditionalism is of course mucholder than fascism. Not only was it typical of counter-revolutionary Catholic thought afterthe French revolution, but it was born in the late enistic era, as a reaction to classicalGreek rationalism. In the Mediterranean basin, people of different religions (most of themindulgently accepted by the Roman Pantheon) started dreaming of a revelation received atthe dawn of human history. This revelation, according to the traditionalist mystique, had6remained for a long time concealed under the veil of forgotten languages – in Egyptianhieroglyphs, in the Celtic runes, in the scrolls of the little known religions of Asia.This new culture had to be syncretistic. Syncretism is not only, as the dictionary says,"the combination of different forms of belief or practice"; such a combination musttolerate contradictions. Each of the original messages contains a silver of wisdom, andwhenever they seem to say different or incompatible things it is only because all arealluding, allegorically, to the same primeval truth.As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth has been alreadyspelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message.One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the majortraditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic,occult elements. The most influential theoretical source of the theories of the new Italianright, Julius Evola, merged the Holy Grail with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,alchemy with the Holy Roman and Germanic Empire. The very fact that the Italian right,in order to show its open-mindedness, recently broadened its syllabus to include works byDe Maistre, Guenon, and Gramsci, is a blatant proof of syncretism.If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores, are labeled as New Age, youcan find there even Saint Augustine who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. Butcombining Saint Augustine and Stonehenge – that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism.

    2. Traditionalism implies the rejection of modernism. Both Fascists and Nazis worshipedtechnology, while traditionalist thinkers usually reject it as a negation of traditionalspiritual values. However, even though Nazism was proud of its industrial achievements,its praise of modernism was only the surface of an ideology based upon Blood and Earth(Blut und Boden). The rejection of the modern world was disguised as a rebuttal of thecapitalistic way of life, but it mainly concerned the rejection of the Spirit of 1789 (and of1776, of course). The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning ofmodern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.

    3. Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action's sake. Action beingbeautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking isa form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with criticalat udes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism,from Goering's alleged statement ("When I hear talk of culture I reach for my gun") to thefrequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs,""universities are a nest of reds." The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged inattacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditionalvalues.

    4. No syncretistic faith can withstand analytical criticism. The critical spirit makesdistinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientificcommunity praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge. For Ur-Fascism,disagreement is treason.

    5. Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity. Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks forconsensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. The first appealof a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus UrFascism is racist by definition.

    6. Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration. That is why one of the mosttypical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, aclass suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightenedby the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old "proletarians" are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene),the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority.

    7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social iden y, Ur-Fascism says that their onlyprivilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin ofnationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an iden y to the nation are itsenemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot,possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solvethe plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jewsare usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same timeinside and outside. In the U.S., a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be foundin Pat Robertson's The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are manyothers.

    8. The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of theirenemies. When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people.They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help eachother through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers must beconvinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting ofrhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascistgovernments are condemned to lose wars because they are cons utionally incapable ofobjectively evaluating the force of the enemy.

    9. For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle. Thuspacifism is trafficking with the enemy. It is bad because life is permanent warfare. This,however, brings about an Armageddon complex. Since enemies have to be defeated, theremust be a final battle, after which the movement will have control of the world. But sucha "final solution" implies a further era of peace, a Golden Age, which contradicts theprinciple of permanent war. No fascist leader has ever succeeded in solving thispredicament.

    10. Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentallyaristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak.Ur-Fascism can only advocate a popular elitism. Every citizen belongs to the best peopleof the world, the members of the party are the best among the citizens, every citizen can(or ought to) become a member of the party. But there cannot be patricians withoutplebeians. In fact, the Leader, knowing that his power was not delegated to himdemocratically but was conquered by force, also knows that his force is based upon theweakness of the masses; they are so weak as to need and deserve a ruler. Since the groupis hierarchically organized (according to a military model), every subordinate leaderdespises his own underlings, and each of them despises his inferiors. This reinforces thesense of mass elitism.

    11. In such a perspective everybody is educated to become a hero. In every mythology thehero is an exceptional being, but in Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult ofheroism is strictly linked with the cult of death. It is not by chance that a motto of theFalangists was Viva la Muerte (in English it should be translated as "Long Live Death!").In non-fascist societies, the lay public is told that death is unpleasant but must be facedwith dignity; believers are told that it is the painful way to reach a supernatural happiness.By contrast, the Ur-Fascist hero craves heroic death, advertised as the best reward for aheroic life. The Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequentlysends other people to death.

    12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascisttransfers his will to power to sexual matters. This is the origin of machismo (whichimplies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual8habits, from chas y to sexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the UrFascist hero tends to play with weapons – doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.

    13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a selective populism, a qualitative populism, one might say.In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have apolitical impact only from a quan ative point of view – one follows the decisions of themajority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and thePeople is conceived as a quality, a monolithic en y expressing the Common Will. Sinceno large quan y of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to betheir interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are onlycalled on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. Tohave a good instance of qualitative populism we no longer need the Piazza Venezia inRome or the Nuremberg Stadium. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, inwhich the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented andaccepted as the Voice of the People.Because of its qualitative populism Ur-Fascism must be against "rotten" parliamentarygovernments. One of the first sentences uttered by Mussolini in the Italian parliament was"I could have transformed this deaf and gloomy place into a bivouac for my maniples" –"maniples" being a subdivision of the traditional Roman legion. As a matter of fact, heimmediately found better housing for his maniples, but a little later he liquidated theparliament. Wherever a politician casts doubt on the legitimacy of a parliament because itno longer represents the Voice of the People, we can smell Ur-Fascism.

    14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. Newspeak was invented by Orwell, in 1984, as theofficial language of Ingsoc, English Socialism. But elements of Ur-Fascism are commonto different forms of dictatorship. All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of animpoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments forcomplex and critical reasoning. But we must be ready to identify other kinds ofNewspeak, even if they take the apparently innocent form of a popular talk show.On the morning of July 27, 1943, I was told that, according to radio reports, fascism hadcollapsed and Mussolini was under arrest. When my mother sent me out to buy thenewspaper, I saw that the papers at the nearest newsstand had different les. Moreover,after seeing the headlines, I realized that each newspaper said different things. I boughtone of them, blindly, and read a message on the first page signed by five or six politicalparties – among them the Democrazia Cristiana, the Communist Party, the Socialist Party,the Par o d'Azione, and the Liberal Party.Until then, I had believed that there was a single party in every country and that in Italy itwas the Par o Nazionale Fascista. Now I was discovering that in my country severalparties could exist at the same time. Since I was a clever boy, I immediately realized thatso many parties could not have been born overnight, and they must have existed for sometime as clandestine organizations.The message on the front celebrated the end of the dictatorship and the return of freedom:freedom of speech, of press, of political association. These words, "freedom,""dictatorship," "liberty," – I now read them for the first time in my life. I was reborn as afree Western man by virtue of these new words.We must keep alert, so that the sense of these words will not be forgotten again. UrFascism is still around us, sometimes in plainclothes. It would be so much easier, for us,if there appeared on the world scene somebody saying, "I want to reopen Auschwitz, Iwant the Black Shirts to parade again in the Italian squares." Life is not that simple. UrFascism can come back under the most innocent of disguises. Our duty is to uncover it9and to point our finger at any of its new instances – every day, in every part of the world.Franklin Roosevelt's words of November 4, 1938, are worth recalling:

    "I venture the challenging statement that if American democracy ceasesto move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peacefulmeans to better the lot of our citizens, fascism will grow in strength in ourland."
    https://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf

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    The notion of fascism is not unlike Wittgenstein's notion of agame. A game can be either compe ive or not, it can require some special skill or none,it can or cannot involve money. Games are different activities that display only some"family resemblance," as Wittgenstein put it. Consider the following sequence:

    1 2 3 4abc bcd cde def

    Suppose there is a series of political groups in which group one is characterized by thefeatures abc, group two by the features bcd, and so on. Group two is similar to group onesince they have two features in common; for the same reasons three is similar to two andfour is similar to three. Notice that three is also similar to one (they have in common thefeature c). The most curious case is presented by four, obviously similar to three and two,but with no feature in common with one. However, owing to the uninterrupted series ofdecreasing similarities between one and four, there remains, by a sort of illusorytransitivity, a family resemblance between four and one.Fascism became an all-purpose term because one can eliminate from a fascist regime oneor more features, and it will still be recognizable as fascist. Take away imperialism fromfascism and you still have Franco and Salazar. Take away colonialism and you still havethe Balkan fascism of the Ustashes. Add to the Italian fascism a radical anti-capitalism(which never much fascinated Mussolini) and you have Ezra Pound. Add a cult of Celticmythology and the Grail mysticism (completely alien to official fascism) and you haveone of the most respected fascist gurus, Julius Evola.

    But in spite of this fuzziness, I think it is possible to outline a list of features that aretypical of what I would like to call Ur-Fascism, or Eternal Fascism. These features cannotbe organized into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical ofother kinds of despotism or fanaticism. But it is enough that one of them be present toallow fascism to coagulate around it.

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    Like we do now


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    internal enemy designated?


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    totes normal


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    this is spurstalk levels of stupidity

    if joe biden wins, we are going to become socialist, and therefore we will be nazis

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    Why isn't the 2A crew up in arms about this? I thought the whole point of having the right to bear arms was to be able to militia up when the federal government started sending in federal troops?

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    Why isn't the 2A crew up in arms about this? I thought the whole point of having the right to bear arms was to be able to militia up when the federal government started sending in federal troops?
    secret plot to make people more pro-2A by showing that the whole government tyranny stuff is not as far-fetched as we thought

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    still not fascists

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    seems like the "blm destroys amazon buildings" and "amazon gets insurance money" are just unnecessary steps listed to make this look more sinister than it is.

    could just be "amazon gives to blm, money actually goes to act blue, actblue money goes to biden"

    except of course thats not how actblue works. actblue collects donations in a manner similar to gofundme.

    and even if all that was true, that would still not be fascism


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    time to play some hoops in Garrett Foster's name and give the guy 5 funerals.

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