Been watching Kenny Omega over at New Japan, I really like the guy. And if you're familiar with that brand then you know we see some really unusual and different things. Obviously Jim Ross a HUGE upgrade over anything we see at the WWE.
I'm starting to learn who is who over there.
Lucha Underground is fun, kinda weird but this is pro wrestling. Johnny Mundo looking far better than he did before he left the WWE, What the was his name over there....duh!
I'm into the history of all, what I didn't see (pre 1958) I have researched. I find the biz fascinating. The people involved in the biz very interesting.
I do it pre Hogan and post Hogan. He is the guy who made a huge impact on the sport.
Just think once upon a time we had World Class, UWF, CWA, AWA, WCW, WWF, all on TV. Yep, the best of times.
I play this totally childish game. I have all the wrestlers (about a 1000) listed on little index card squares. Cut out and in a can. So ya reach into the can......Mr. Moto vs Seth Rollins. You can have tag teams, tournaments, make cards. I mean how else is "Superstar" Billy Graham facing off vs A.J.Styes?
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Top 10 Pre Hogan
1.Lou Thesz
2.Bruno Smmartino
3."Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers
4.Verne Gagne
5.Killer Kowalski
6.Fred Blassie
7.Edouard Carpentier
8.Antonio Rocca
9.The Sheik
10.Harley Race
Post Hogan
1.Hulk Hogan
2."Nature Boy" Ric Flair
3.Andre the Giant
4.Dusty Rhodes
5.John Cena
6.Shawn Michaels
7.Stonecold Steve Austin
8.Randy Orton
9.The Undertaker
10.Kurt Angle
No Bret Hart or the Rock?
Andre is more pre Hogan than post Hogan. When Andre wrestled Hogan he was a s of his former self and could barely move. Andre's prime was 70s. Hogan didn't hit the scene till about 1980.
Post Hogan:
1. Hulk Hogan
2. The Rock
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
4. The Undertaker
5. John Cena
6. Ric Flair
7. Shawn Michaels
8. Macho Man Randy Savage
9. Bret Hart
10. Ultimate Warrior
^^^if you want to go off of pure popularity/fame and disregard any in ring wrestling ability.
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I don't think Andre was any bigger in the biz until after 80.
The Rock wrestled how many years? Longevity at the top is huge.
When talking the greatest of All Time Ric Flair would be 4/5. He was HUGE.
No way you can leave Dusty Rhodes off the list. He was far more important than The Rock, Ulltimate Warrior.
DUHO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ how in the did I whiff on Savage? Dump Angle, enter The Macho Man on my list.
I don't expect to find anyone in total agreement over this stuff, and I can see you know your stuff.
Trivia
1.Give me 20 one name tagteams.
1. The Roadwarriors
2.Give me 10 father/son/sons wrestlers.
3.Who started out as Jack Long?
4.Give me 10 pro footballers/wrestlers
5.Give me 30 wrestlers in the movies.
If just by popularity, Rey Misterio and Jeff Hardy and probably CM Punk would trounce Warrior. Their merch numbers were incredible and were the only two-three dudes who would outsell Cena merch. Throw in Rey's success on SD with the Latino demos and he definitely passes Warrior and Brett Hart.
All Time Top 10
1.Lou Thesz
2.Bruno Sammartino
3.Hulk Hogan
4."Nature Boy" Ric Flair
5."Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers
6.Verne Gagne
7.Andre the Giant
8.John Cena
9.Killer Kowalski
10.Dusty Rhodes
Ok since nobody knows trivia.
Trivia
1.Give me 20 one name tagteams.
The Bolos
The Grahams
The Kangaroos
The Medics
The Interns
The Kentickians
The Vob Brauners
The Von Sroheims
The Von Stigers
The Nielsons
The Fargos
The Daltons
The Bastiens
Demolitian
The Kalmikoffs
The Roadwarriors
The Freebirds
The Assasins
2.Give me 10 father/son/sons wrestlers.
Fritz Von Erich with Kerry, Kevin. David and Mike
Rocky Johnson and The Rock
Jerry Lawler and Brian Christopher
Tony and Matt Borne
Johnny and Greg Valentine
Bob and Brad Armstrong
The Guerrero clan
Grizzley Smith and Jake "Snake" Roberts
The Orton Family
Afa & Sika and how many relatives?
3.Who started out as Jack Long?
Harley Race
4.Give me 10 pro footballers/wrestlers
Leo "Lion" Nomellini
Wahoo McDaneil
Leon "Van Vader" White
Bill Golderg
Hacksaw Duggan
JBL
the Bruiser
Tom Pritchard
Don Manoukian
Brian Pillman
5.Give me 30 wrestlers in the movies.
Hardboiled Haggarty
Lenny Montana
Primo Carnera
Hulk Hogan
Randy Orton
The Miz
Big John Studd
Kevin Nash
Batista
Triple H
Dean Ambrose
Stonecold Steve Austin
Earl "Mr.Universe" Maynard
Prof Taru Tanaka
Andre the Giant
The Big Show
Kane
Judo Gene LaBell
Samson Burke
EDGE
Ted DiBiaseJr.
Jeep Swenson
Haystacks Calhoun
Pepper Martin
Mil Mascaras
El Santo
The Great Kali
Terry Funk
Mike Mazurki
Without googling.
Question 1
Dudley Boys
Hardy Boys
Nasty Boys
The Bashams
Harlem Heat
The Steiners
The Rockers
The Power Trip
Kai En Tai
The Head Bangers
Question 2
Dusty Rhodes/Goldust/Cody Rhodes
Ted DiBease/Ted DiBease Jr
Rocky Johnson/The Rock
Cow Boy Bob Orton/Randy Orton
Jerry the King Lawler/Brian Christopher
Vince McMahon/Shane McMahon
IRS/Bray Wyatt
Ric Flair/David Flair
Davey Boy Smith/David Smith
Scott Hall/Cody Hall
Question 3
Dont know
Question 4
Bill Goldberg
Big Van Vader
Lawrence Taylor
Lex Luger
Brock Lesnar (Does he count?)
Thats about all i know
Question 5. Im just going to name the successful/some what successful ones here. Not going to name 30.
The Rock
Stone Cold
Cena
Hogan
Piper
Jesse Ventura
Nash
Batista
Andre the Giant
Goldberg
This list can go on and on. Not going to list 30 lol.
Good job!!!
Love to see those who know the sport.
You got a ranking for best wrasslers on technical ability alone over the last 30yrs, avante?
That isn't something I've thought about, but right off the top of me and just tossing out the first to come to mind.
Kurt Angle
Brett Hart
Dolpf Ziggler
Seth Rollins
In "pro"wrestling the most important element is selling your character putting butts in the seats. Mic skills actually more important than real wrestling ability. Dusty Rhodes a great example. he was fantastic on the mic, couldn't wrestle a lick, same with Hulk Hogan.
Last edited by Avante; 08-23-2018 at 11:37 AM.
That's true, although I was aiming for just the wrasslin part of wrasslin, pulling off athletic moves. I stopped watching most of it years ago, but I remember Benoit and Bret Hart really stood out when it came down to wrasslin. Then you had Kurt angle, you can tell he had a good base to get into the game after being a gold medalist wrestler.
There have been a handful of NCAA wrestlers in the rasslin' biz, the most important was Verne Gagne. Cowboy Hutton an NWA World Champion a great college wrestler also.
In a real wrestling match with NCAA rules I can't see anyone beating Angle, yep, not even Lesnar.
I miss Benoit.
Just saw Kurt was 230-240lbs, was surprised he's bigger than he looks. Yeah he'd easily toss Lesnar around on a mat.
Yeah, any wrasslin fan misses benoit i figure despite how terrible a crime he did. You don't see that much talent in the game very often, one of my favorite matches was the submission match vs kurt - lots of great moves.
From what I've seen from Japanese wrasslin, they love the technical side of the game while we're more into characters in the US
That was a of a match also on my list of favorites.
New Japan is FAR FAR better than anything out there when it comes to....wrestling. They don't spend a lot of time on cartoonish BS, a little but nothing like what we see from the WWE.
We have six hours of New Japan just waiting for the time to watch (my son and I)
Last edited by Avante; 08-24-2018 at 04:58 AM.
Pro wrestling is in garbage. Get a life old got.
Now too damn bright are ya half pint? So how many other things are you totally stupid about? Go ahead I love long lists.
s in hiding, not good.
Pretty sure you specifically hated on Kenny Omega when saying you thought all that flippy was garbage and all that mattered was the characters.. now you're a huge fan
Best technical wrestlers in the last 30 years...
Benoit
Daniel Bryan
Ric Flair
Dynamite Kid
Misawa
Bret Hart
HBK
Owen Hart
Mr. Perfect
Kobashi
a Japs actually
Dean Malenko
Rofl @ Dolph Ziggler.
You catch All In?
Saw some highlights. Want to catch Omega/Pentagon and the hardcore match. The in Joey Ryan thing tho... mang.
It's very awesome to know that Cody Rhodes and a load of "no-name" (to the mainstream obviously) sold out MSG. Wrestling is the most popular it's been in ten years at least. Now, we just need Vince and Stephanie to die so the main product is more like NXT.
The E has the greatest roster of talent ever assembled as far as in-ring work. The fact they give you zero reason to care about 85% of the roster is what kills them. Scripted promos and pushing the same super-man face they've pushed the majority of the last 30 years wont work.
Yeah I just want to catch that main event.. I can only tolerate so much wrestling these days.. and
A male ring rat that was happy to get hepa is from a never-was who s up the suspension of disbelief.Yeah I just want to catch that main event.. I can only tolerate so much wrestling these days.. and
Same here, don't watch Raws or SDs anymore. Will watch a PPV on a Sunday, tho, especially over football. Summerslam was a great show as far as wrestling was going and Joe needs to be champion ASAP.
dudes up and then mack to their women...holy , that's a license to print money.
First time I heard Charlie Patton "The King of Mississippi Delta Blues", I thought he sucked. It took me awhile to "get it" now he's the best example of that music.Pretty sure you specifically hated on Kenny Omega when saying you thought all that flippy was garbage and all that mattered was the characters.. now you're a huge fan
It's taken me awhile to warm up to New Japan. BUT.....still prefer the WWE.
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