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    Been watching Kenny Omega over at New Japan, I really like the guy. And if you're familiar with that brand then you know we see some really unusual and different things. Obviously Jim Ross a HUGE upgrade over anything we see at the WWE.

    I'm starting to learn who is who over there.

    Lucha Underground is fun, kinda weird but this is pro wrestling. Johnny Mundo looking far better than he did before he left the WWE, What the hell was his name over there....duh!

    I'm into the history of all, what I didn't see (pre 1958) I have researched. I find the biz fascinating. The people involved in the biz very interesting.

    I do it pre Hogan and post Hogan. He is the guy who made a huge impact on the sport.

    Just think once upon a time we had World Class, UWF, CWA, AWA, WCW, WWF, all on TV. Yep, the best of times.

    I play this totally childish game. I have all the wrestlers (about a 1000) listed on little index card squares. Cut out and in a can. So ya reach into the can......Mr. Moto vs Seth Rollins. You can have tag teams, tournaments, make cards. I mean how else is "Superstar" Billy Graham facing off vs A.J.Styes?
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    Top 10 Pre Hogan

    1.Lou Thesz
    2.Bruno Smmartino
    3."Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers
    4.Verne Gagne
    5.Killer Kowalski
    6.Fred Blassie
    7.Edouard Carpentier
    8.Antonio Rocca
    9.The Sheik
    10.Harley Race

    Post Hogan

    1.Hulk Hogan
    2."Nature Boy" Ric Flair
    3.Andre the Giant
    4.Dusty Rhodes
    5.John Cena
    6.Shawn Michaels
    7.Stonecold Steve Austin
    8.Randy Orton
    9.The Undertaker
    10.Kurt Angle

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    Top 10 Pre Hogan

    1.Lou Thesz
    2.Bruno Smmartino
    3."Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers
    4.Verne Gagne
    5.Killer Kowalski
    6.Fred Blassie
    7.Edouard Carpentier
    8.Antonio Rocca
    9.The Sheik
    10.Harley Race

    Post Hogan

    1.Hulk Hogan
    2."Nature Boy" Ric Flair
    3.Andre the Giant
    4.Dusty Rhodes
    5.John Cena
    6.Shawn Michaels
    7.Stonecold Steve Austin
    8.Randy Orton
    9.The Undertaker
    10.Kurt Angle
    No Bret Hart or the Rock?

    Andre is more pre Hogan than post Hogan. When Andre wrestled Hogan he was a shell of his former self and could barely move. Andre's prime was 70s. Hogan didn't hit the scene till about 1980.

    Post Hogan:

    1. Hulk Hogan
    2. The Rock
    3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
    4. The Undertaker
    5. John Cena
    6. Ric Flair
    7. Shawn Michaels
    8. Macho Man Randy Savage
    9. Bret Hart
    10. Ultimate Warrior

    ^^^if you want to go off of pure popularity/fame and disregard any in ring wrestling ability.
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    I don't think Andre was any bigger in the biz until after 80.

    The Rock wrestled how many years? Longevity at the top is huge.

    When talking the greatest of All Time Ric Flair would be 4/5. He was HUGE.

    No way you can leave Dusty Rhodes off the list. He was far more important than The Rock, Ulltimate Warrior.

    DUHO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ how in the hell did I whiff on Savage? Dump Angle, enter The Macho Man on my list.

    I don't expect to find anyone in total agreement over this stuff, and I can see you know your stuff.

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    Trivia

    1.Give me 20 one name tagteams.

    1. The Roadwarriors

    2.Give me 10 father/son/sons wrestlers.

    3.Who started out as Jack Long?

    4.Give me 10 pro footballers/wrestlers

    5.Give me 30 wrestlers in the movies.

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    No Bret Hart or the Rock?

    Andre is more pre Hogan than post Hogan. When Andre wrestled Hogan he was a shell of his former self and could barely move. Andre's prime was 70s. Hogan didn't hit the scene till about 1980.

    Post Hogan:

    1. Hulk Hogan
    2. The Rock
    3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
    4. The Undertaker
    5. John Cena
    6. Ric Flair
    7. Shawn Michaels
    8. Macho Man Randy Savage
    9. Bret Hart
    10. Ultimate Warrior

    ^^^if you want to go off of pure popularity/fame and disregard any in ring wrestling ability.


    If just by popularity, Rey Misterio and Jeff Hardy and probably CM Punk would trounce Warrior. Their merch numbers were incredible and were the only two-three dudes who would outsell Cena merch. Throw in Rey's success on SD with the Latino demos and he definitely passes Warrior and Brett Hart.

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    All Time Top 10

    1.Lou Thesz
    2.Bruno Sammartino
    3.Hulk Hogan
    4."Nature Boy" Ric Flair
    5."Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers
    6.Verne Gagne
    7.Andre the Giant
    8.John Cena
    9.Killer Kowalski
    10.Dusty Rhodes

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    Ok since nobody knows trivia.

    Trivia

    1.Give me 20 one name tagteams.

    The Bolos
    The Grahams
    The Kangaroos
    The Medics
    The Interns
    The Kentickians
    The Vob Brauners
    The Von Sroheims
    The Von Stigers
    The Nielsons
    The Fargos
    The Daltons
    The Bastiens
    Demolitian
    The Kalmikoffs
    The Roadwarriors
    The Freebirds
    The Assasins


    2.Give me 10 father/son/sons wrestlers.

    Fritz Von Erich with Kerry, Kevin. David and Mike
    Rocky Johnson and The Rock
    Jerry Lawler and Brian Christopher
    Tony and Matt Borne
    Johnny and Greg Valentine
    Bob and Brad Armstrong
    The Guerrero clan
    Grizzley Smith and Jake "Snake" Roberts
    The Orton Family
    Afa & Sika and how many relatives?


    3.Who started out as Jack Long?

    Harley Race

    4.Give me 10 pro footballers/wrestlers

    Leo "Lion" Nomellini
    Wahoo McDaneil
    Leon "Van Vader" White
    Bill Golderg
    Hacksaw Duggan
    JBL
    Dick the Bruiser
    Tom Pritchard
    Don Manoukian
    Brian Pillman

    5.Give me 30 wrestlers in the movies.

    Hardboiled Haggarty
    Lenny Montana
    Primo Carnera
    Hulk Hogan
    Randy Orton
    The Miz
    Big John Studd
    Kevin Nash
    Batista
    Triple H
    Dean Ambrose
    Stonecold Steve Austin
    Earl "Mr.Universe" Maynard
    Prof Taru Tanaka
    Andre the Giant
    The Big Show
    Kane
    Judo Gene LaBell
    Samson Burke
    EDGE
    Ted DiBiaseJr.
    Jeep Swenson
    Haystacks Calhoun
    Pepper Martin
    Mil Mascaras
    El Santo
    The Great Kali
    Terry Funk
    Mike Mazurki

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    Trivia

    1.Give me 20 one name tagteams.

    1. The Roadwarriors

    2.Give me 10 father/son/sons wrestlers.

    3.Who started out as Jack Long?

    4.Give me 10 pro footballers/wrestlers

    5.Give me 30 wrestlers in the movies.
    Without googling.

    Question 1

    Dudley Boys
    Hardy Boys
    Nasty Boys
    The Bashams
    Harlem Heat
    The Steiners
    The Rockers
    The Power Trip
    Kai En Tai
    The Head Bangers

    Question 2

    Dusty Rhodes/Goldust/Cody Rhodes
    Ted DiBease/Ted DiBease Jr
    Rocky Johnson/The Rock
    Cow Boy Bob Orton/Randy Orton
    Jerry the King Lawler/Brian Christopher
    Vince McMahon/Shane McMahon
    IRS/Bray Wyatt
    Ric Flair/David Flair
    Davey Boy Smith/David Smith
    Scott Hall/Cody Hall

    Question 3

    Dont know

    Question 4

    Bill Goldberg
    Big Van Vader
    Lawrence Taylor
    Lex Luger
    Brock Lesnar (Does he count?)
    Thats about all i know

    Question 5. Im just going to name the successful/some what successful ones here. Not going to name 30.

    The Rock
    Stone Cold
    Cena
    Hogan
    Piper
    Jesse Ventura
    Nash
    Batista
    Andre the Giant
    Goldberg



    This list can go on and on. Not going to list 30 lol.

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    Without googling.

    Question 1

    Dudley Boys
    Hardy Boys
    Nasty Boys
    The Bashams
    Harlem Heat
    The Steiners
    The Rockers
    The Power Trip
    Kai En Tai
    The Head Bangers

    Question 2

    Dusty Rhodes/Goldust/Cody Rhodes
    Ted DiBease/Ted DiBease Jr
    Rocky Johnson/The Rock
    Cow Boy Bob Orton/Randy Orton
    Jerry the King Lawler/Brian Christopher
    Vince McMahon/Shane McMahon
    IRS/Bray Wyatt
    Ric Flair/David Flair
    Davey Boy Smith/David Smith
    Scott Hall/Cody Hall

    Question 3

    Dont know

    Question 4

    Bill Goldberg
    Big Van Vader
    Lawrence Taylor
    Lex Luger
    Brock Lesnar (Does he count?)
    Thats about all i know

    Question 5. Im just going to name the successful/some what successful ones here. Not going to name 30.

    The Rock
    Stone Cold
    Cena
    Hogan
    Piper
    Jesse Ventura
    Nash
    Batista
    Andre the Giant
    Goldberg



    This list can go on and on. Not going to list 30 lol.
    Good job!!!

    Love to see those who know the sport.

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    Good job!!!

    Love to see those who know the sport.
    You got a ranking for best wrasslers on technical ability alone over the last 30yrs, avante?

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    You got a ranking for best wrasslers on technical ability alone over the last 30yrs, avante?
    That isn't something I've thought about, but right off the top of me and just tossing out the first to come to mind.

    Kurt Angle
    Brett Hart
    Dolpf Ziggler
    Seth Rollins

    In "pro"wrestling the most important element is selling your character putting butts in the seats. Mic skills actually more important than real wrestling ability. Dusty Rhodes a great example. he was fantastic on the mic, couldn't wrestle a lick, same with Hulk Hogan.
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    That isn't something I've thought about, but right off the top of me and just tossing out the first to come to mind.

    Kurt Angle
    Brett Hart
    Dolpf Ziggler
    Seth Rollins

    In "pro"wrestling the most important element is selling your character putting butts in the seats. Mic skills actually more important than real wrestling ability. Dusty Rhodes a great example. he was fantastic on the mic, couldn't wrestle a lick, same with Hulk Hogan.
    That's true, although I was aiming for just the wrasslin part of wrasslin, pulling off athletic moves. I stopped watching most of it years ago, but I remember Benoit and Bret Hart really stood out when it came down to wrasslin. Then you had Kurt angle, you can tell he had a good base to get into the game after being a gold medalist wrestler.

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    That's true, although I was aiming for just the wrasslin part of wrasslin, pulling off athletic moves. I stopped watching most of it years ago, but I remember Benoit and Bret Hart really stood out when it came down to wrasslin. Then you had Kurt angle, you can tell he had a good base to get into the game after being a gold medalist wrestler.
    There have been a handful of NCAA wrestlers in the rasslin' biz, the most important was Verne Gagne. Cowboy Dick Hutton an NWA World Champion a great college wrestler also.

    In a real wrestling match with NCAA rules I can't see anyone beating Angle, yep, not even Lesnar.

    I miss Benoit.

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    There have been a handful of NCAA wrestlers in the rasslin' biz, the most important was Verne Gagne. Cowboy Dick Hutton an NWA World Champion a great college wrestler also.

    In a real wrestling match with NCAA rules I can't see anyone beating Angle, yep, not even Lesnar.

    I miss Benoit.
    Just saw Kurt was 230-240lbs, was surprised he's bigger than he looks. Yeah he'd easily toss Lesnar around on a mat.

    Yeah, any wrasslin fan misses benoit i figure despite how terrible a crime he did. You don't see that much talent in the game very often, one of my favorite matches was the submission match vs kurt - lots of great moves.

    From what I've seen from Japanese wrasslin, they love the technical side of the game while we're more into characters in the US

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    Just saw Kurt was 230-240lbs, was surprised he's bigger than he looks. Yeah he'd easily toss Lesnar around on a mat.

    Yeah, any wrasslin fan misses benoit i figure despite how terrible a crime he did. You don't see that much talent in the game very often, one of my favorite matches was the submission match vs kurt - lots of great moves.

    From what I've seen from Japanese wrasslin, they love the technical side of the game while we're more into characters in the US
    That was a hell of a match also on my list of favorites.

    New Japan is FAR FAR better than anything out there when it comes to....wrestling. They don't spend a lot of time on cartoonish BS, a little but nothing like what we see from the WWE.

    We have six hours of New Japan just waiting for the time to watch (my son and I)
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    Pro wrestling is in garbage. Get a life old got.

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    Pro wrestling is in garbage. Get a life old got.
    Now too damn bright are ya half pint? So how many other things are you totally stupid about? Go ahead I love long lists.

    Queers in hiding, not good.

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    Pretty sure you specifically hated on Kenny Omega when saying you thought all that flippy shit was garbage and all that mattered was the characters.. now you're a huge fan

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    Best technical wrestlers in the last 30 years...

    Benoit
    Daniel Bryan
    Ric Flair
    Dynamite Kid
    Misawa
    Bret Hart
    HBK
    Owen Hart
    Mr. Perfect
    Kobashi
    Hella Japs actually
    Dean Malenko


    Rofl @ Dolph Ziggler.

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    Best technical wrestlers in the last 30 years...

    Benoit
    Daniel Bryan
    Ric Flair
    Dynamite Kid
    Misawa
    Bret Hart
    HBK
    Owen Hart
    Mr. Perfect
    Kobashi
    Hella Japs actually
    Dean Malenko


    Rofl @ Dolph Ziggler.
    You catch All In?

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    You catch All In?
    Saw some highlights. Want to catch Omega/Pentagon and the hardcore match. The in Joey Ryan thing tho... mang.


    It's very awesome to know that Cody Rhodes and a load of "no-name" (to the mainstream obviously) sold out MSG. Wrestling is the most popular it's been in ten years at least. Now, we just need Vince and Stephanie to die so the main product is more like NXT.

    The E has the greatest roster of talent ever assembled as far as in-ring work. The fact they give you zero reason to care about 85% of the roster is what kills them. Scripted promos and pushing the same super-man face they've pushed the majority of the last 30 years wont work.

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    Saw some highlights. Want to catch Omega/Pentagon and the hardcore match. The in Joey Ryan thing tho... mang.


    It's very awesome to know that Cody Rhodes and a load of "no-name" (to the mainstream obviously) sold out MSG. Wrestling is the most popular it's been in ten years at least. Now, we just need Vince and Stephanie to die so the main product is more like NXT.

    The E has the greatest roster of talent ever assembled as far as in-ring work. The fact they give you zero reason to care about 85% of the roster is what kills them. Scripted promos and pushing the same super-man face they've pushed the majority of the last 30 years wont work.
    Yeah I just want to catch that main event.. I can only tolerate so much wrestling these days.. and Joey Ryan is garbage. He made a surprise appearance here in SA for a recent RoH show and I was one of the few in attendance that wasn't amused by his gotry. He gave some queer in the front row the blowpop outta his mouth and the fan couldn't have been any more happy about sharing spit with him.

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    Yeah I just want to catch that main event.. I can only tolerate so much wrestling these days.. and Joey Ryan is garbage. He made a surprise appearance here in SA for a recent RoH show and I was one of the few in attendance that wasn't amused by his gotry. He gave some queer in the front row the blowpop outta his mouth and the fan couldn't have been any more happy about sharing spit with him.
    A male ring rat that was happy to get hepatitis from a never-was who s up the suspension of disbelief.

    Same here, don't watch Raws or SDs anymore. Will watch a PPV on a Sunday, tho, especially over football. Summerslam was a great show as far as wrestling was going and Joe needs to be champion ASAP.

    dudes up and then mack to their women...holy shit, that's a license to print money.

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    Pretty sure you specifically hated on Kenny Omega when saying you thought all that flippy shit was garbage and all that mattered was the characters.. now you're a huge fan
    First time I heard Charlie Patton "The King of Mississippi Delta Blues", I thought he sucked. It took me awhile to "get it" now he's the best example of that music.

    It's taken me awhile to warm up to New Japan. BUT.....still prefer the WWE.

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