Yeah but I meant literally, is he at camp and shouldn't he be asked about his role by jabari and who else. There's no reason why he shouldn't be featured if the team believes in him as much as we expect.
wow. frankly I have been too critical of a team that has not yet played a game... but that scenario I don't know... I honestly don't know how much I'll be able to watch it. Someone else is going to have to conquer me. I admit I frankly wasn't enthused about Belli or Mills starting either. Perhaps Forbes will be fine.
going to drink my vanilla fan tea or something bbl
He is making just a bit over the min. He's not a featured player. His salary doesn't even guarantee him a spot on next year's team (meaning via cut rather than trade). To put it into perspective, he's making less than the LLE. Nando de Colo made the LLE in 2013 for the Spurs.
I see White's potential mentioned plenty. I think he could potentially be a high end 6th man (reminds me of Delon Wright, with a pullup 3), but not a star.
They only had a legit chance from '12-'14 and "the system" was mostly the genius of that particular group of players.
They don't even have a path to contention again until they find a superstar, which is extremely difficult. A lot of Spurs fans are blind to how rare they are because they've been lucky enough to have one for the past 29 seasons (not really from '09-'16, but the biggest 3 kind of collectively added up to one).
I count 9 current ones (James, Durant, Davis, Curry, Harden, Leonard, Antetokounmpo, Westbrook, Paul) and only the first 3 were projected to be.They got lucky with Leonard. Maybe they will with Walker, too (he's more athletic, with better ball skills than Leonard was when drafted), but it's always highly unlikely with any non generational type prospect.
No, the Raptors received criticism for their supposed handling of it with DeRozan. They received virtual universal acclaim and praise for the actual trade though, while the Spurs were criticized and mocked for failing to extract either Anunoby or Siakam and for constructing a roster even more archaic than recent iterations.
Lmao holy , Bryn Forbes potentially starting.... I knew the eventual decline/transition of the franchise was gonna be bad but I didn't think it'd be Bryn Forbes starting bad.
Prepare yourself. He started 12 games last season and I will tell you, there was once a time I didn't envision Mills as a starter either yet here we are.
I am going to keep an open mind about this season. It's not like it's a championship year or anything. HOpefully we catch glimpses of others getting played too.. by that I mean other youth... you know?
I do not see Forbes starting in any scenario (I think Greg would start Belli if he had a need for a shooter in s5)
I look forward to seeing a big uptick in Derrick White’s impact on Spurs’ wins the season. Even if DerMar and Dejounte are man-spreading on minutes, White is ready for more floor time.
Bro. Your extremely one sided to my response. Plenty of criticism for Toronto not only how they handled it but the fact they did it against a star who didn't want to stay. You have blinders on. Most agreed that getting DeRozan was better than anything. The criticism was how the Spurs got to the point where they had to trade Kawhi. Your just a little worked. Or a lot.
I respect Chinook 's takes because he is definitely one of the more thoughtful posters on this board...but I simply don't see this happening.
In fact, if Bryn Forbes starts more than 5 games this year (barring significant injuries and/or rest games)....I'll make him my avatar.
I’m definitely not depending on DeRozan to carry us to a le. He’s Richard Jefferson 2.0. Howvever, I know many in this forum think Murray is trash but I believe he will be a star and he has the toughness to lead us to a le eventually. We will also need Walker to develop to an all star level as well. The likelyhood of another le anytime soon is very low. I do like our future with Murray, White & Walker.
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You're justified in your thinking.
I'd probably say Derozan is more like Jefferson 2.5.
He'll be better, and more entertaining, but probably not good enough to get to the End of the Rainbow.
It's all good.
You put in a really low threshold at 5 games. It's quite possible you have to change your avatar.
this is actually a nice gamble/bet for this season.
If Bryn Forbes is the starting SG for any other reason besides injury or rest, I'm turning in my fan card tbh
DeRozan is far from RJ 2.0.
Jefferson was a one-trick pony in New Jersey. He could run the break and throw down dunks. That was his sweet spot, and his career was never the same once he was asked to do more than that.
That being said, the Spurs system didn't fit him. He had to give up his running game and become a spot-up shooter...which he did fairly well, but it wasn't worth the money he was getting. He was doomed to fail because Pop decided to keep him out of Tim, Tony, and Manu's way instead of letting him do what suited him well.
Demar can score in a mul ude of ways. If he can develop a semblance of a three-point shot (as he started to last season), he will be even more of a threat.
His defense will still be a question mark, but there is a reason he has made the All-NBA team the last two years, and it's not his defense. Jefferson never knew how to put the ball in the basket like DeRozan can.
Hold me to it.
IMO, Pop will have Murray, DeRozan, Mills, and Beli firmly ahead of Forbes in the starting rotation. The way the team has been talking him up, I also believe White is in that conversation.
I still think Forbes is going to soak up more minutes than we would like...but it will be off the bench. It is going to take some dire cir stances for him to be starting.
True, there is no big three to accommodate anymore and if the video clips are any indication LMA is working on staying out of Demar's way at least part of the time.
I definitely hope you are right and don't need to change your avatar.
I really don't like either Mills or Belli starting as they are kind of microwave type shooters that are great for bench scoring but get exposed as starters. I suspect Pop is rolling with Mills but I also expect a fair amount of experimentation (which is why I think the Forbes experiment has a risk of being seen and the 5 games threshold is low). As long as others get opportunities too, and he doesn't get overplayed I can live with it.
Pau Gasol already let it slipped that Derrick White is the backup point. Watch his latest practice interview. Derrick is our Manu-lite.
I'm with you in not wanting it. I don't think it makes sense. In fact, the same conditions that would trigger Forbes starting (White being so bad that Mills has to be the PG of the bench) would trigger a spot for Walker or any other perimeter player. I think Forbes has a chance to getting the nod, but if nobody else among the deep-bench guys can make a case over Bryn, it's a bad, bad sign. I've been higher on Forbes historically (I started the Magazine thread after all), but unless he's gotten inexplicably better over the summer, he just doesn't have a game that wouldn't severely cap the team's ceiling.
If Gay playing even as little as the first 6 minutes of each half with the starters proves untenable, Belinelli would probably start before Mills.
Starting Mills would mean White, an unproven combo guard, playing as the lone ball handler on the 2nd unit.
Considering there was no alternative, as far as play making, this went without saying.
I don't think DeRozan is in the conversation. He's the SF in my mind unless the team finds a three-and-D wing to play there. Beli should be a two-guard, but it really depends on whether Pop is planning on Bertans being a regular rotation player. If not, yet another guard will get a rotation spot. In any event, it's all up to White in my mind. The team certainly hasn't done enough to prepare for the possibility of White failing. But if he does fail, the team can't just keep running with him just to avoid starting Forbes. You could argue that Murray/Forbes and Mills/Beli is the best option in a White-less guard rotation, though as I said, starting Cun or Walker would still be more desirable for me.
While I expect to see Murray/Mills starting and White/Belinelli off the bench, I hope it's not set in stone yet. I like White a lot, but this early in the process, he shouldn't be guaranteed a rotation spot. In that same vein, neither should Patty be guaranteed a starting spot, and that's what your recount of Pau's words suggests. This just seems like a really big pre-season for those young guys and new players.
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