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    Not sure if Pop was trolling media or he really wants to run more...The Spurs were #29 on pace last season.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/te...ort/paceFactor


    Young legs can change these numbers.

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    There will probably be a round of player interviews at the end of camp today.

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    Not sure if Pop was trolling media or he really wants to run more...The Spurs were #29 on pace last season.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/te...ort/paceFactor


    Young legs can change these numbers.
    It's very difficult to tell with Pop since he's definitely such a media trollster, but I do think he's aiming to make the most of DJ skillset. He's a great rebounding guard and gets a good number of deflections but does poorly in set offenses.

    I think he's going to have the green light to make things happen in transition and to force his shot if it's attacking the basket and if he has the opportunity. Shot selection I imagine will be scrutinized. He's not a guy you want pulling up in transition and things of that nature but if he can push the pace off a rebound go for it. It's a way for Pop to probably also put pressure on others to look for their shots early.

    Whether that happens or not is a good thing to watch out for. One thing is Pops plan and the other is how players execute. I expect growth from DJ... But we shall see.

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    Not sure if Pop was trolling media or he really wants to run more...The Spurs were #29 on pace last season.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/te...ort/paceFactor


    Young legs can change these numbers.
    I saw the interview. He never suggested the team was going to run more but Dejounte was going to. TP always had the green light to start the fast break and finish himself but when it came to the half court offense he was forced to run the plays Pop wanted. I imagine it will be similar from before. This will also be a good thing considering our back up pg is Derricl White. DJ can tire out and sub out frequently between him and Derrick to keep everyone on their fresh. Playing hard on every possession will be what our best way to utilize our depth and compete against the best teams.

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    Best thing other than being traded or benched permanently. What a guy.

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    It probably had more to do with the Raptors not wanting Gasol? They won by a landslide this year simply cause Kawhi > DeRozan. But once Kawhi bolts, then what? We got the safer of the deal for sure getting a young guy like Poeltl and an all star player in DeRozan. They had the leverage

    Obviously. But why was seemingly everything contingent on what the Raptors wanted? Diminished value or not, the Spurs were the ones trading the premiere player.

    The Raptors needed a C anyway (though more of a depth one) and ended up signing a somewhat similar one in Monroe. There's no reason to think this would have been a deal breaker.

    And if Leonard stays, the trade looks even worse on the Spurs. The Raptors had no leverage once word had gotten out of the discussions being serious, since it was obvious DeRozan would be the centerpiece of the return. At that point, they needed to close the deal.

    Talent wise, particularly given the cir stances, the Spurs did well to get a top 30 player, a lottery pick and another 1st . . . but fit wise, they cemented themselves as an archaic outfit and possible treadmill team and gave the Raptors a virtually ideal modern team (minus a play making C, that can switch).

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    Obviously. But why was seemingly everything contingent on what the Raptors wanted? Diminished value or not, the Spurs were the ones trading the premiere player.

    The Raptors needed a C anyway (though more of a depth one) and ended up signing a somewhat similar one in Monroe. There's no reason to think this would have been a deal breaker.

    And if Leonard stays, the trade looks even worse on the Spurs. The Raptors had no leverage once word had gotten out of the discussions being serious, since it was obvious DeRozan would be the centerpiece of the return. At that point, they needed to close the deal.

    Talent wise, particularly given the cir stances, the Spurs did well to get a top 30 player, a lottery pick and another 1st . . . but fit wise, they cemented themselves as an archaic outfit and possible treadmill team and gave the Raptors a virtually ideal modern team (minus a play making C, that can switch).
    I don't give a about the small things. I'm glad he's gone and the team got return.
    This will be a better team than last year.

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    This was the biggest trade in Pop's career as an executive. You've gotta give him a chance to show he made the right trade, or at least for the right reasons. If he thinks they can win with these stars, then we just have to hope he can make it happen. If the ownership pushed him into making a base-hit trade rather than swinging for the fences, then there was nothing he could do. However, if he prioritized win-now players over value because he didn't want to coach a rebuilding team, then he should have retired. That's really all there is to it.

    Knowing what I know now, I believe that I would rather the Spurs have not made the trade and been a circus for months longer than let Toronto them they way they did. But if DeRozan still has another gear in him, and if Poeltl can be an elite center, then this was a great deal in almost any cir stance. I just don't see it, though. It just feels like PATFO broke under the strain, and Ujuri took advantage. I am not part of the organization, though. I don't know exactly how much of a negative Kawhi was in the locker room. It's possible that even if Leonard were healthy, him being disgruntled would neutralize the talent difference. The Spurs don't have the same ceiling this season, but they'll be a damned sight better than they were last season. Teams like ing Utah and Denver aren't going to finish ahead of them.

    Why do so many act as if Buford doesn't exist? They're a team; Pop just has final say.

    I don't got to give him anything. I knew the second I saw the trade that they ed up. Once it was clear the Raptors wouldn't budge on Anunoby, there's no way Green should have been included. 3 and D wings are treated as gold everywhere but here evidently and they had the audacity to lose 2.5 in one off season, with no internal replacement(s).

    No trade was going to make winning a championship possible (nor was more or less keeping the team intact). It's simple: they thought this was the best deal. Leonard for supposedly 4 picks and salary filler from the Celtics was too risky because of the lack of certainty. Besides, they'd have been hoping to get a star out of them and even though he's a flawed, lesser one, DeRozan already is. He's also about as close as they can come to a cultural fit and still somewhat young.

    They're not guaranteed to be better or finish ahead of the Jazz and Nuggets.


    I don't give a about the small things. I'm glad he's gone and the team got return.
    This will be a better team than last year.
    There are no small things when it comes to trading a superstar. The direction of the franchise hung in the balance.

    For a franchise desperately trying to remain relevant and stave off a full fledged re-build, the difference between Gasol and Green, in the context of this roster and the way the league has evolved, isn't miniscule.

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    Why do so many act as if Buford doesn't exist? They're a team; Pop just has final say.

    I don't got to give him anything. I knew the second I saw the trade that they ed up. Once it was clear the Raptors wouldn't budge on Anunoby, there's no way Green should have been included. 3 and D wings are treated as gold everywhere but here evidently and they had the audacity to lose 2.5 in one off season, with no internal replacement(s).

    No trade was going to make winning a championship possible (nor was more or less keeping the team intact). It's simple: they thought this was the best deal. Leonard for supposedly 4 picks and salary filler from the Celtics was too risky because of the lack of certainty. Besides, they'd have been hoping to get a star out of them and even though he's a flawed, lesser one, DeRozan already is. He's also about as close as they can come to a cultural fit and still somewhat young.

    They're not guaranteed to be better or finish ahead of the Jazz and Nuggets.




    There are no small things when it comes to trading a superstar. The direction of the franchise hung in the balance.

    For a franchise desperately trying to remain relevant and stave off a full fledged re-build, the difference between Gasol and Green, in the context of this roster and the way the league has evolved, isn't miniscule.
    You can stress yourself all the way to over it.
    Have fun.
    I said my peace. This team is better this year.
    Deal with it.

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    You can stress yourself all the way to over it.
    Have fun.
    I said my peace. This team is better this year.
    Deal with it.
    I'm not at all stressed. I almost never am about anything and I damn sure haven't been about anything sports related since game 6 of the '14 WCF.

    I didn't intend to go back down this road, but some of your ilk (blind faith, vanilla take, apologists) took issue with my snide/snarky remark, so I responded in kind.

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    I'm not at all stressed. I almost never am about anything and I damn sure haven't been about anything sports related since game 6 of the '14 WCF.

    I didn't intend to go back down this road, but some of your ilk (blind faith, vanilla take, apologists) took issue with my snide/snarky remark, so I responded in kind.
    Right on! :thumbsup

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    What credible journalist uses the terminology bounce. Jabari needs to bounce his ass to toronto

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    I meant, I realize the Spurs weren't getting Anunoby or even Siakam and that the Raptors weren't taking Mills, but there's no reason Gasol couldn't have been in place of Green (Spurs could have also taken Richardson for financial purposes).

    I think this was the only attempt to stay compe ive trade they could probably make, so they panicked and conceded on damn near every thing they should have haggled over. It had also been speculated for a while that they wanted to move Green.

    Given where they've picked, they've drafted well recently. But If neither Murray or Walker can become a star, this will more than likely be a treadmill team for the foreseeable future.
    How come nobody ever mentions White when talking about potential? Honest question. You're far from the only one I see not even give him a shot at being one of our leaders going forward. I might be way off, but I could easily see White carrying the team on some nights as he continues growing his game and confidence. We'll see...

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    What credible journalist uses the terminology bounce. Jabari needs to bounce his ass to toronto
    Yes, he's atrocious. Pop basically told him he was asking too many questions earlier.

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    I'm not at all stressed. I almost never am about anything and I damn sure haven't been about anything sports related since game 6 of the '14 WCF.

    I didn't intend to go back down this road, but some of your ilk (blind faith, vanilla take, apologists) took issue with my snide/snarky remark, so I responded in kind.


    I love the fact you call optimistic people “vanilla fan apologist”..

    Like what makes your depressing pessimistic view any different and right??

    I feel you struggle with the fact some people here or fans in general try to enjoy watching their favorite team compete...so you try to talk down to people like what you say ing matters..

    You’re just a poster like the rest of us...except you jumped off the cliff with a parachute talking at the people who haven’t jumped yet.

    Enjoy the season bruh lol

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    "When you decided to re-sign here what is/was that mind set to do that, you could have went anywhere else."

    Jabari already trying to poison the well.

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    Talent wise, particularly given the cir stances, the Spurs did well to get a top 30 player, a lottery pick and another 1st . . . but fit wise, they cemented themselves as an archaic outfit and possible treadmill team and gave the Raptors a virtually ideal modern team (minus a play making C, that can switch).
    I feel like we have seen the 'threadmill' seasons occur after the three in five year le run. Specifically 2009 and 2010. Even then we had some hope at one point just after acquiring Richard Jefferson.

    2011 the Spurs had an enormous rebound with a 37-6 record at one point. Then afterwards they were legit le contenders until this Leonard guy short-circuited.

    Arguably the Spurs could've won the le in any season from 2011 to 2017 and no one would have been surprised. The beauty of it was that the system had a lot to do with it.

    Which gives me high confidence that another era of le contention is likely. They found Leonard out of the blue and developed him as only they could. Who's to say they won't get another prospect like that.

    I'm fine with repeating the 2009 and 2010 seasons again. I recall we were all down in this board and certainly nationally everyone thought the Spurs were finished. And then an unparalleled level of success followed.

    Let the Golden State synthetic dynasty run its course and by, say, 2022, San Antonio will be in the thick of things. It'll be 1995-2008 and 2011-2017 all over again.

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    How come nobody ever mentions White when talking about potential? Honest question. You're far from the only one I see not even give him a shot at being one of our leaders going forward. I might be way off, but I could easily see White carrying the team on some nights as he continues growing his game and confidence. We'll see...
    I dont think hes quick enough or has the handle to penetrate enough to do that. For the Spurs I hope he turns into a deadly off the ball shooter. When he plays pg, he will likely just be a game manager. Ceiling for Derrick White is poor man's Jeremy Lin (he may be a better shooter though).

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    Your right he is not a burner but he has great handles so he can keep the ball alive even when he is in the paint. He has great court vision and is a good passer he will have a good year and will only get better.

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