Trump targeting birthright citizenship with executive order

[spurraider21]

trump trying to discuss cons utional law...

subject to the jurisdiction thereof basically means they're subject to US law. the main exceptions would be native americans on reservations, or foreign nationals with diplomatic immunity. SCOTUS in that ruling also pointed out people in hostile occupation. none of these remotely apply to children of illegal immigrants.

[Winehole23]

relevant Congressional debate here:

https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampag...3.db&recNum=11

[Chris]

subject to the jurisdiction thereof basically means they're subject to US law.

Thanks for clearing that up. As a non-lawyer I was confused about that one. So nice to have an expert handy on the forum.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't think so. Unless DJT declares martial law, or war on Mexico, or has deployed the Army in drug interdiction, or to quell domestic violence, the US Army is legally limited as to what it can do.

https://qz.com/1442757/what-does-pos...ld-suspend-it/

The Insurrection Act of 1807 would also seem to limit what the president can order the army to do (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act), but I guess when it comes right down to it, if Trump wants to be a he can create a huge mess before anyone can stop him.

The War on Terror may also give DJT colorable grounds to use the US Army to enforce laws, perhaps that was why ISIS tag-alongs were mentioned.

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There is extensive precedent for using the Army to protect the border.

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Port...thews_op22.pdf

[spurraider21]

Thanks for clearing that up. As a non-lawyer I was confused about that one. So nice to have an expert handy on the forum.

if the child of an illegal immigrant commits a crime, does the government have the right to arrest them and press charges? if the child of an illegal immigrant steals money or assaults someone, can they be sued by the victim?

[Winehole23]

There is extensive precedent for using the Army to protect the border.

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Port...thews_op22.pdf

not denied.

do you think this is a situation that calls for the deployment of the US Army?

[CosmicCowboy]

not denied.

do you think this is a situation that calls for the deployment of the US Army?

I think it is probably going to end badly with some ugly visuals.
The caravan will put women, kids, old people etc. up front and photographers will be breathlessly do enting these awful soldiers brutalizing these poor helpless immigrants.

[spurraider21]

I think it is probably going to end badly with some ugly visuals.
The caravan will put women, kids, old people etc. up front and photographers will be breathless do enting these awful soldiers brutalizing these poor helpless immigrants.

non-answer tbh

he didnt ask about the optics

[CosmicCowboy]

non-answer tbh

he didnt ask about the optics

pfft.

The army will not be able to stop anything. Their orders will be to avoid physical engagement at all costs. The caravan will be able to walk right through them and tag home base.

[Winehole23]

thanks for admitting this has nothing to do with border protection

[CosmicCowboy]

thanks for admitting this has nothing to do with border protection

I wasn't defending it, just providing historical precedent of the military being used on the border. From a political perspective pre-election it probably rallied Trumps hardcore base and the election will be over when we finally have to deal with the caravan.

[Winehole23]

Yep.

Trump is deploying thousands of US Army troops as an electoral prop, to exaggerate a negligible threat to the US.

[DMC]

You’re making no sense.

Who said the entire Cons ution was bad? You're the one that said Cons ution bad now, which is the straw man argument for what's actually being said.. You're saying you don't agree with parts of it but somehow that's different than someone else not agreeing with parts of it. Do you understand now Philo?

[Aztecfan03]

tell me, SpurTalkers, what kind of political leader deliberately creates chaos, instability and strife?

When did this become about Obama?

[DMC]

Yep.

Trump is deploying thousands of US Army troops as an electoral prop, to exaggerate a negligible threat to the US.

What an idiot. All he has to do is lob a couple missiles into some aspirin factory in Africa.

[Winehole23]

lol

[spurraider21]

Who said the entire Cons ution was bad? You're the one that said Cons ution bad now, which is the straw man argument for what's actually being said.. You're saying you don't agree with parts of it but somehow that's different than someone else not agreeing with parts of it. Do you understand now Philo?

yeah so this comes down to you misunderstanding "cons ution bad now" and then making an ass of yourself because of it

i could have been more specific and said "abiding by the cons ution bad now" but didn't think anybody would need that context. i was wrong.

[Winehole23]

What an idiot. All he has to do is lob a couple missiles into some aspirin factory in Africa.

I complained about that, too.

[boutons_deux]

Birthright Bull

[DMC]

yeah so this comes down to you misunderstanding "cons ution bad now" and then making an ass of yourself because of it

i could have been more specific and said "abiding by the cons ution bad now" but didn't think anybody would need that context. i was wrong.

As a lawyer, you know full well that wording means everything. Dos equis sequitur parabellum veritas.

[ducks]

Special exemptions for anchor babies. Harry Reid is rolling in his grave.

Kick them all out i send

[koriwhat]

a long time coming... the whole anchor baby is dumb to begin with.

[baseline bum]

Kick them all out i send

You said wait until all the rest are gone before kicking out Trump's anchor babies, which means not kicking them out since there is no way to get 100% of them.

[spurraider21]

As a lawyer, you know full well that wording means everything. Dos equis sequitur parabellum veritas.

the context was obvious to everybody besides pedants

[DMC]

the context was obvious to everybody besides pedants

So you've taken a poll? Or perhaps the laws of statistics cease to exist in your argument! Are these magic statistics? Are you sure it's obvious to EVERYONE? ARE YOU SURE????


I'm done with this one.