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    Bryce Harper is the most overrated player of this generation and I can't wait to see who's gonna throw 320M at him.

    The Nats have a better outfielder than Bryce on their own team. Juan Soto is better. I'm not kidding.
    300 mil for 1.3 war

    2015 is probably never walking through that door again.
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    Players Union better start building a state for Scott Boras if he gets Harper a contract north of 300M.
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    Harper signed for 13 years and $330 million with phillies
    https://www.mlb.com/news/bryce-harpe...-with-phillies
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    Harper signed for 13 years and $330 million with phillies
    https://www.mlb.com/news/bryce-harpe...-with-phillies
    1.5 WAR. Harper is still a great natural talent with a great work ethic, so perhaps he finds that 2015 form again when he was about as feared as Barry Bonds.

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    1.5 WAR. Harper is still a great natural talent with a great work ethic, so perhaps he finds that 2015 form again when he was about as feared as Barry Bonds.
    Off the top of my head positives are that per year it's only 25 million so less than manny and less than the 30 million average Nationals offered. That 5 helps them if they are a luxury tax team. They should contend right away. If he plays like he did in 2015 even for three or four years could offset the shit seasons at the end.

    Negatives it would be better if they were an AL team and could dh him in his late 30s. His defense was supposedly real bad after being good earlier. Philly is fucking brutal so if he struggles they could turn real nasty on him.

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    Off the top of my head positives are that per year it's only 25 million so less than manny and less than the 30 million average Nationals offered. That 5 helps them if they are a luxury tax team. They should contend right away. If he plays like he did in 2015 even for three or four years could offset the shit seasons at the end.

    Negatives it would be better if they were an AL team and could dh him in his late 30s. His defense was supposedly real bad after being good earlier. Philly is fucking brutal so if he struggles they could turn real nasty on him.
    Yeah, it's not bad. Bad contracts don't really cripple you in baseball like they do in the NBA and such.

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    Yeah, it's not bad. Bad contracts don't really cripple you in baseball like they do in the NBA and such.
    That's somewhat true but a team like the Angels could have had $30 million all those years to put another guy next to Trout if they didn't give Pujols that bad contract

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    That's somewhat true but a team like the Angels could have had $30 million all those years to put another guy next to Trout if they didn't give Pujols that bad contract
    They could sit him and just eat it

    Moreno is kind of cheap though, and the Angels were milking that whole 600 homers thing. I regularly watch the Angels and he just kills them. Case in point:



    Why I also hate the DH. Thankfully, the slow, fat DHs are dying out. Unless they hit Barry Bonds level, their advanced numbers are typically terrible due to lack of speed.

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    They could sit him and just eat it

    Moreno is kind of cheap though, and the Angels were milking that whole 600 homers thing. I regularly watch the Angels and he just kills them. Case in point:



    Why I also hate the DH. Thankfully, the slow, fat DHs are dying out. Unless they hit Barry Bonds level, their advanced numbers are typically terrible due to lack of speed.
    that double play they showed second. The 2nd basemen took his time and didn't even throw it hard

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    that double play they showed second. The 2nd basemen took his time and didn't even throw it hard
    Found this cool graph. Pujols was basically worth -119 million . Trout is God. +188 million.

    https://public.tableau.com/views/Are...showVizHome=no

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    Still can’t believe just how much Pujols has fallen off

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    Still can’t believe just how much Pujols has fallen off
    Before leaving St.Louis, Pujols was a blistering .328 career hitter. He is now hovering at .302


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    Steroids are wearing off / getting older.

    Probably not on the Tom Brady health and exercise regimen.
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    MLB and players’ union agree on rules changes:

    Starting this season, there will be only one trade deadline, July 31. No more secondary waiver trade deadline.

    This season, mound visits reduced from 6 to 5, potentially reduced to 4 starting in 2020.

    Starting next season, active rosters expanded to 26 with 13 pitcher maximum, September call-ups active roster restricted to 28 players, 14 pitcher max.

    Other changes to the All Star selection and money payout to home run derby participants.

    BUT...

    The most noteworthy and controversial rule change is that the league has agreed to implement the three batter rule for relief pitchers starting in 2020. No more LOOGY specialists. I believe it’s three batters or finish the inning. So in theory, teams can still utilize the lefty specialist with 2 outs if they’re able to do their job effectively. Whatever the additional details of the rule, it certainly does open a big can of worms and impacts not only individual games but roster construction and job opportunities for certain relievers.


    MLB has drawn a line in the sand. They’re supremely concerned with pace of play and trying to get its fanbase younger. Are some of these changes too much? Will it be worth it? Will it work? Are they fundamentally changing the game? There are even reports that moving the mound back two feet is still on the table for discussion as a future change. Whatever it ends up being, MLB is being proactive and bold in confronting issues they believe need to be addressed and changed. I don’t know if it’s the right thing to do...

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    Trout just told Bryce Harper “330 million? Hold my beer”

    430 million

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...430m-extension
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    Trout just told Bryce Harper “330 million? Hold my beer”

    430 million

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...430m-extension
    Worth it. Just have to figure out what to do with Pooholes. Fabbs, your boy got paiddd!

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    MLB and players’ union agree on rules changes:

    Starting this season, there will be only one trade deadline, July 31. No more secondary waiver trade deadline.

    This season, mound visits reduced from 6 to 5, potentially reduced to 4 starting in 2020.

    Starting next season, active rosters expanded to 26 with 13 pitcher maximum, September call-ups active roster restricted to 28 players, 14 pitcher max.

    Other changes to the All Star selection and money payout to home run derby participants.

    BUT...

    The most noteworthy and controversial rule change is that the league has agreed to implement the three batter rule for relief pitchers starting in 2020. No more LOOGY specialists. I believe it’s three batters or finish the inning. So in theory, teams can still utilize the lefty specialist with 2 outs if they’re able to do their job effectively. Whatever the additional details of the rule, it certainly does open a big can of worms and impacts not only individual games but roster construction and job opportunities for certain relievers.


    MLB has drawn a line in the sand. They’re supremely concerned with pace of play and trying to get its fanbase younger. Are some of these changes too much? Will it be worth it? Will it work? Are they fundamentally changing the game? There are even reports that moving the mound back two feet is still on the table for discussion as a future change. Whatever it ends up being, MLB is being proactive and bold in confronting issues they believe need to be addressed and changed. I don’t know if it’s the right thing to do...
    Really like the 3 batter minimum as it takes much of the rote-ness out of pitching change decisions. The usual tactic in a late inning leverage situation is: Lefty batting threat up, put in LOOGY. Take LOOGY out after the AB to bring in your general purpose reliever to face the next (presumably right handed) batters. This gives the manager much more to chew on.

    Say it's a 3-2 game you're leading in the 7th (Bullpen is warm). Starter is at 85 pitches and still looks pretty good. Lead off man gets on via an error. Starter walks the next batter. Lefty slugger up (but behind are two right-handed threats). Under the old rules, decision is absurdly easy. Now, the manager has a real decision to make. Starter still has his stuff for the most part, and the Lefty slugger has a .265/.340/.400 slash against our starter, while against our bullpen LOOGY, he's .150/.300/.320. However, our starter has owned the two right-handed threats due to come up, while our LOOGY is shaky against right handed hitting. What used to be a rote decision has become more of a dilemma. Stick with your starter? Take a chance on the LOOGY? Bring in your general purpose reliever?

    Essentially, this rule will create more coin-flip scenarios, which are more entertaining to watch/ponder than by-the-book decisions. In any event, bullpens and pitching in general have become rather overpowered the last decade, so hitters needed a bit of an equalizer. Sure, run production is still historically the same, but the side-effect of launch-angle philosophy is more strikeouts, baseball's most boring event (but in some contexts, a strikeout is most entertaining climax).

    I also think MLB is wringing its hands too much about the "youth problem." I'm sure you've seen some of my posts to the soccer crew, et al that debunk the myth that baseball's fanbase is old to the point that the sport will "die" with the boomer generation. No facts support that aside from cherry picked television ratings. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be proactive and constantly look for ways to improve the sport as an entertainment product (and lessening strikeouts and more balls in play makes the MLB a better baseball product). I also like the eventual decision of moving the mound back. Again, you got guys throwing 95mph sliders these days. Furthermore, the mound further back will hopefully make stolen bases a bit easier mathematically, translating into more attempts.

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    Trout to receive largest contract in professional sports' history.
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    $430 million is an absurd amount of money for any professional athlete.

    Angels can’t even make the playoffs. They’ve made the post season once in Trout’s seven full seasons.

    I thought MLB owners were starting to become more financially smart and frugal. And then Machado happened. And then Harper happened. And now Trout...

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    1/2 - half billion dollar contract

    0 - career playoff wins

    Lols Angeles

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    Worth it. Just have to figure out what to do with Pooholes. Fabbs, your boy got paiddd!
    Good news of course.
    Not sure how much it helps this year tho with things like the bizarre signing of Matt Harvey as a projected starter. Maybe the Angels strength and training staff has some most excellent PEDs they hope to revive Harvey with. Ditto PooHoles altho all indications are his steady decline will continue. Whoever bats around Trout and Otahni is going to see some sweet pitches. Hope they are not all wasted on Pujols.

    But with all the one year contracts and now Trouts career extension, appears the Angels must have some kind of long range plan.

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    Should have dealt him for overhaul of prospects. Angels not serious bout winning, just selling tickets

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