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    El nono is King of the casuals, a rich mans dabom (, he stans Manu rather than Mills) ... Nothing to see here. Basketball is not always about scoring. Jonathan Simmons will spend about 5 years in the league and never be a team asset. Kyle will double that as a role player. Its dumb to compare guards and forwards anyway.

    It's also funny that Simmons is brought up, he owes his career to Kyle for their summer league blowout.
    We don't need another offensive player this year, we need defense. And Anderson is good at it.
    What is this defensive prowess? His defensive skills can be summarized as helping rebounding and gambling for steals. His lateral movement is poor (and he's young), he's not athletic enough to contest anything at the rim, he's not a physical player. He isn't stopping anybody off the dribble.

    Who he can realistically guard at the SF position and give you an advantage? (he can't guard any of the elite at PG/SG) Lebron? Paul George? Kawhi? They eat him for breakfast.

    Because he is, at best, an above average defensive player (he isn't IMO, but let's pretend), he has to contribute *something* better than a rookie on the other end. Especially after years in the league, you would think he figured out his niche on offense.

    Bowen was a solid defender, BUT he also had a 3 point shot. Same with Danny (for a while anyways).

    I understand that for the average Spursfan, if you put Belinelli next to Anderson, Kyle looks like Ron Artest defensively, tbh, but realistically, he's an average defender, and why would the Spurs spend that kind of money on average?

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    My ElNono in this thread tbh:


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    and why would the Spurs spend that kind of money on average?
    because good free agents don't come to SA, and you can go over the cap for your own guys.

    do you seriously prefer Cuningham+Pondexter+Belinelli for about the same price as KA?

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    What is this defensive prowess? His defensive skills can be summarized as helping rebounding and gambling for steals. His lateral movement is poor (and he's young), he's not athletic enough to contest anything at the rim, he's not a physical player. He isn't stopping anybody off the dribble.

    Who he can realistically guard at the SF position and give you an advantage? (he can't guard any of the elite at PG/SG) Lebron? Paul George? Kawhi? They eat him for breakfast.

    Because he is, at best, an above average defensive player (he isn't IMO, but let's pretend), he has to contribute *something* better than a rookie on the other end. Especially after years in the league, you would think he figured out his niche on offense.

    Bowen was a solid defender, BUT he also had a 3 point shot. Same with Danny (for a while anyways).

    I understand that for the average Spursfan, if you put Belinelli next to Anderson, Kyle looks like Ron Artest defensively, tbh, but realistically, he's an average defender, and why would the Spurs spend that kind of money on average?
    Average defender being paid average salary... Lol you got me

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    What is this defensive prowess? His defensive skills can be summarized as helping rebounding and gambling for steals. His lateral movement is poor (and he's young), he's not athletic enough to contest anything at the rim, he's not a physical player. He isn't stopping anybody off the dribble.

    Who he can realistically guard at the SF position and give you an advantage? (he can't guard any of the elite at PG/SG) Lebron? Paul George? Kawhi? They eat him for breakfast.

    Because he is, at best, an above average defensive player (he isn't IMO, but let's pretend), he has to contribute *something* better than a rookie on the other end. Especially after years in the league, you would think he figured out his niche on offense.

    Bowen was a solid defender, BUT he also had a 3 point shot. Same with Danny (for a while anyways).

    I understand that for the average Spursfan, if you put Belinelli next to Anderson, Kyle looks like Ron Artest defensively, tbh, but realistically, he's an average defender, and why would the Spurs spend that kind of money on average?
    MemphisGirl, you gonna let ElNono inject Magic's T Cells into Fat Head like this?

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    because good free agents don't come to SA, and you can go over the cap for your own guys.

    do you seriously prefer Cuningham+Pondexter+Belinelli for about the same price as KA?
    That's the point. You can have 3 end of the bench players for the price of one end of the bench player.

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    That's the point. You can have 3 end of the bench players for the price of one end of the bench player.
    There appears to be some coaches (2 out of 2 so far) that disagree with you about "end of the bench player". He started 67 of the 74 he played in for us last year (26.7 mpg). He's at 22 of 25 for the Grizz this year (29.9 mpg). The various advanced stats have always suggested he's reasonably good, a starter + level player. If we were playing him in place of Cunningham, would SAS be better off? I think so. I would rather have him than Cun/Pon/Beli. Not to mention Forbes - I don't like small SG's as a personal preference, or Mills (damn the contract he's on), or even Bertans (despite Bertans being a reasonable player himself)...

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    There appears to be some coaches (2 out of 2 so far) that disagree with you about "end of the bench player". He started 67 of the 74 he played in for us last year (26.7 mpg). He's at 22 of 25 for the Grizz this year (29.9 mpg). The various advanced stats have always suggested he's reasonably good, a starter + level player. If we were playing him in place of Cunningham, would SAS be better off? I think so. I would rather have him than Cun/Pon/Beli. Not to mention Forbes - I don't like small SG's as a personal preference, or Mills (damn the contract he's on), or even Bertans (despite Bertans being a reasonable player himself)...
    The point is that he doesn't move the needle, much like those other guys, and you're not stuck with him for 4 years. Cunningham and Pointdexter are on 1 year deals, Beli on 2.

    1 of those 2 coaches also though he wasn't worth a 4 year deal.

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    Haters gonna hate tbh

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    The point is that he doesn't move the needle, much like those other guys, and you're not stuck with him for 4 years. Cunningham and Pointdexter are on 1 year deals, Beli on 2.

    1 of those 2 coaches also though he wasn't worth a 4 year deal.
    Pop presumably made that judgment, although I think it was a cap-space call. And like many others in this thread, I think it was a mistake. As mentioned by every advanced overall player evaluation stat that I am aware of, KA graded out a starter + guy. Gettting a guy who produces like that for 4 years at the MLE, going into his notional prime, is not a bad thing. (Especially as he has gotten better every year he was with us. He's getting much better than he was at the start of year with the Grizz right now, having pulled his WP48 from something around .02 after the first 3 weeks of the season, to .161 - an average starter being .1). Especially when there are clear flaws in to Kyle's game - a lack of willingness to shoot and overall aggression - which are at least potentially fixable, unlike say Bertans who appears unable to gain enough muscle (nor to grow longer arms) to be able to compete for rebounds... If Kyle develops a more aggressive 3 ptr, he's going to be a serious asset.

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    Pop presumably made that judgment, although I think it was a cap-space call. And like many others in this thread, I think it was a mistake. As mentioned by every advanced overall player evaluation stat that I am aware of, KA graded out a starter + guy. Gettting a guy who produces like that for 4 years at the MLE, going into his notional prime, is not a bad thing. (Especially as he has gotten better every year he was with us. He's getting much better than he was at the start of year with the Grizz right now, having pulled his WP48 from something around .02 after the first 3 weeks of the season, to .161 - an average starter being .1). Especially when there are clear flaws in to Kyle's game - a lack of willingness to shoot and overall aggression - which are at least potentially fixable, unlike say Bertans who appears unable to gain enough muscle (nor to grow longer arms) to be able to compete for rebounds... If Kyle develops a more aggressive 3 ptr, he's going to be a serious asset.
    If he's a good player, there should be no considerations about cap-space. He was a Spurs player, the Spurs had the ability to match, and if he wasn't overpaid and good, it was an easy call to make.

    We've been saying the bolded for as long as he's been with us, and going to Memphis didn't change that one bit. He is who he is. And before going into advanced stats, just take a look at his overall stats. He's simply not a contributor/difference maker.

    We're not talking Manu at 40 years old, where he had to play more of a playmaker role and impact the game in other ways because his athleticism was gone, we're talking about a kid supposedly entering his prime years effectively being unable to impact a basketball game.

    And before somebody brings back the defensive argument again, he's not a stopper or a defensive specialist that impacts the game so much on that end where you can overlook his offense.

    People forget that Conley and Gasol also made the same Quincy Pondexter that's on our team look like a star too, tbh.

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    That's the point. You can have 3 end of the bench players for the price of one end of the bench player.
    is Spurs would have kept him, he'd probably be 3rd on the team in minutes

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    https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/201...-grizzlies-nba

    Here's a fun blog post which covers both sides of the debate and compares kyle with Tony Allen as elite role players.

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    Tony Allen was a physical player, borderline dirty, tbh... really, no comparison whatsoever...

    If the blogger didn't realize it by now, he will soon enough.

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    is Spurs would have kept him, he'd probably be 3rd on the team in minutes
    The only reason for that would be that Gay has been injured, tbh... but also because the Spurs suck... really tells me more about the current state of the Spurs, than about Kyle Anderson.

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    Haters gonna hate tbh
    I don't hate Anderson, I hate people that nitpick WS, RPM, advanced stats to make a point, when his actual production on the court is literally terrible for a guy starting in the NBA.

    It's like Matt Bonner all over again. The Spurs did the right thing to walk away from a 4 year deal for a lukewarm (at best) player, whom they observed for 3 (4?) seasons, nurtured, etc. As much slack the FO gets for bad moves, this was completely correct.

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    Anybody who is still criticizing Kyle Anderson, at this point, has got to be brain damaged.

    He isn't a Spur. o? Anybody out there have a grip on reality?

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    andersons man2man defense is underrated, he is probably as good as green/kawhi when it comes to pick pocketing a player in the midcourt picking up their dribble

    but if you expect him to chase, contest a layup/jumpshot, then forget about it... thats one of his weakness for a lengthy guy who has no vertical to speak of

    he has the tools to be a good offensive player, but the problem is popa still living rent free in his head... he could be doing more offensively on the grizzlies.. his drives and eurostep to the ring is good, but clown is just to passive to go for his own pts

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    andersons man2man defense is underrated, he is probably as good as green/kawhi when it comes to pick pocketing a player in the midcourt picking up their dribble

    but if you expect him to chase, contest a layup/jumpshot, then forget about it... thats one of his weakness for a lengthy guy who has no vertical to speak of

    he has the tools to be a good offensive player, but the problem is popa still living rent free in his head... he could be doing more offensively on the grizzlies.. his drives and eurostep to the ring is good, but clown is just to passive to go for his own pts
    Maybe he's in his own head then (cue the big head jokes).... The team wanted him to be aggressive and shoot more bruh. It's just not who he is

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    I don't hate Anderson, I hate people that nitpick WS, RPM, advanced stats to make a point, when his actual production on the court is literally terrible for a guy starting in the NBA.

    It's like Matt Bonner all over again. The Spurs did the right thing to walk away from a 4 year deal for a lukewarm (at best) player, whom they observed for 3 (4?) seasons, nurtured, etc. As much slack the FO gets for bad moves, this was completely correct.
    Haters gonna hate

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    What is this defensive prowess? His defensive skills can be summarized as helping rebounding and gambling for steals. His lateral movement is poor (and he's young), he's not athletic enough to contest anything at the rim, he's not a physical player. He isn't stopping anybody off the dribble.

    Who he can realistically guard at the SF position and give you an advantage? (he can't guard any of the elite at PG/SG) Lebron? Paul George? Kawhi? They eat him for breakfast.

    Because he is, at best, an above average defensive player (he isn't IMO, but let's pretend), he has to contribute *something* better than a rookie on the other end. Especially after years in the league, you would think he figured out his niche on offense.

    Bowen was a solid defender, BUT he also had a 3 point shot. Same with Danny (for a while anyways).

    I understand that for the average Spursfan, if you put Belinelli next to Anderson, Kyle looks like Ron Artest defensively, tbh, but realistically, he's an average defender, and why would the Spurs spend that kind of money on average?
    MemphisGirl, you gonna let ElNono inject Magic's T Cells into Fat Head like this?
    Kyle is a defensive stopper. He's got a wide body and good reach and keeps the defender in front of him. Furthermore, his eye hand coordination combined with stealth arms has him getting straight picks. It's not a matter of "gambling".

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    Kyle is a defensive stopper. He's got a wide body and good reach and keeps the defender in front of him. Furthermore, his eye hand coordination combined with stealth arms has him getting straight picks. It's not a matter of "gambling".


    One of the better trolls recently, props to whoever's it is.

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    *somehow* apos gay ass threads keep getting bumped. I wonder.

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    Kyle is a defensive stopper. He's got a wide body and good reach and keeps the defender in front of him. Furthermore, his eye hand coordination combined with stealth arms has him getting straight picks. It's not a matter of "gambling".
    does his big head factor into his defense?

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    I’m happy for Kyle, I know he’s worked hard. Regardless, I am happy his fathead is playing elsewhere.

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